Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Yarukiba]

I can understand what is annoying. I remember going into a farm party for T9 months ago, the group was really nice except 2 guys. I never solohealed the fight before that night and the other healer kept dying until the moment I chose to leave him dead, and one of the 2 monks almost wiped the whole party more than once ; and even though they were newbies (achievement at the end of the fight) they didn't say a word even if the PF was stating "Farming - experienced only". MNK got the weapon after our messy clear. He left right away with a "thanks" that felt like a middle finger :/
It happened more times than I can count, with every single turn I farmed, with EX fights (Titan & Ramuh were the worst) but since you can never tell who is new to the fight when you enter it, you can't kick until everyone dies and leave the fight, or when you clear and carry them.
The problem here isn't about farming groups being useless, it's just about avoiding conflicts and dishonnesty.

[LunnaRavenheart]

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You have to play bad guy, and guy without clear will leave or tell.

Message that somebody is new.
You: What the hell?
You: WHO?
You: OUT NOW!!! EVERYBODY!
Some random guy: I have million clears...*starts to linking weapons*
You: I am going to check achieves. This is ridiculous.
(at this point lier will leave or say: oh i didnt read that this is farm party bla bla bla ...and leaves also)

Also there are players with clear/achieves but still not capable to farm eg they bought it or get carried. You have to deal with them also. Kick them blacklist them, replace them as fast as possible. There is no need to wipe 2 times because somebody is bad. Tell them: What are you doing? Why you died? 1 more mistake and you are out... Dont worry to replace them. If other sees that you have leadership of party in your hands they tend to stay even you kick or replace somebody, but just dont waste time with many wipes because all people will leave.

[WinterLuna]

You have to play bad guy, and guy without clear will leave or tell.

Message that somebody is new.
You: What the hell?
You: WHO?
You: OUT NOW!!! EVERYBODY!
Some random guy: I have million clears...*starts to linking weapons*
You: I am going to check achieves. This is ridiculous.
(at this point lier will leave or say: oh i didnt read that this is farm party bla bla bla ...and leaves also)

This is all a huge inconvenience for something that can very easily be solved with the party finder setting. This isn't just one time people do this, it's almost every time a farm party is made.

[Naliee]

I think it's extremly rude of newbs to even join farm pts IF the comment section CLEARLY says "No bonus/newbs". As of late I have noticed that not all players even read the comment section in PF, they just join as long as it says "FARM"

It's a totally different story if they've asked the leader of the party that can they join and leader asks others in the party if it's ok. But when I join farm party, I expect it to be farm. Not a "teach us how to win this".

[WinterLuna]

I think it's extremly rude of newbs to even join farm pts IF the comment section CLEARLY says "No bonus/newbs". As of late I have noticed that not all players even read the comment section in PF, they just join as long as it says "FARM"

It's a totally different story if they've asked the leader of the party that can they join and leader asks others in the party if it's ok. But when I join farm party, I expect it to be farm. Not a "teach us how to win this".

I couldn't agree more, I had someone join the other day with a bonus. He messed up to something really silly (which an experienced player wouldn't do) and he said 'sorry, I didn't even read the PF, I just joined.' I let him stay anyway and of course when we cleared he left.

[WinterLuna]

Bump! Thanks for the support.

[OllieWoods]

The amount of hours wasted, thanks to inexperienced players advertising themselves as competent.

I do not have a problem with inexperienced players, and as you say am hugely open to help, as such i join kill groups and practice groups to help out, but never have i joined a group expecting a carry.

[Azazua_azura]

I personally think the PARTY FINDER could use more customization, to better filter and present parties.

1) set a tag filter for people to look for a party: "newcomers welcome" shows only parties with "newcomers welcome" set. I would like this because it is hard to find groups in all the "sell content" or "farm party" groups.

2) add more filters such as "farm party" or "experienced" so party starters/group leaders can really customize what they are seeking in terms of group members.

3) use tags to filter members: if a party is set to "experience" a first timer can't join unless invited.

4) increase the text limit of "looking for group" and "party finder" comments (even ff11 search com were longer)

5) make a secondary tab for party finder for "looking for party" players, so players can set that they are looking for particular content, under said tags. Would help those wanting a party but not interested in running one.


Those are just some suggestions for party finder, which i hope some if not all are considered to help improve party finder.

Personal thoughts on replies to the thread:

First off to those who mix up duty finder with party finder, I think you guys should slow down and read a thread before commenting, kinda silly that you guys/gals/etc even mixed them up.


Anyway, I took the time to read the thread not once but twice just to make sure I understood each reply. Those against the idea are using weak arguments, and assumptions there is nothing wrong with adding more filters or customization to PARTY FINDER.

Also to clear some stuff up, players have alots of different reasons they wish to not start a party.

Not everyone whats the resposibility of being a party leader.
People are shy and unsure how to start/run a party.
They are new to mmo and would join a party then start one.
They have a social disoder (like austism) that gives them anxiety when put into a position of running a group.
Have had bad experiences running a group as the other members take over and don't listen to the leader.

Which means they join the groups for the content they looking to do. I have played on Excaliber and Tonberry, and alot of cases party finder is filled with "farm parties" after the first day of content. If you get to the content after the first day, you're "S.O.L" in joining a learning/clear group as they don't exist. That being said, though i do find it rude to join a "farm group" as a first timer, but it is not that easy as again "learning groups" don't exist after the first day. I say this because the first timer joining a "farm" party is not always looking to be handed a clear, but simply wants to do the content.


We as a community should see thing from both sides, as there two sides to everystory. Kicking a person is one thing, going as far as to blacklist a person for joining a party is pretty rude, and unnessisary, as the leader was just as much at fault for not communicating.

Which goes into the last thing I wanted to say, which is communication is 100% needed in forming a group. Saying hi and getting to know your the members helps build a better community on each server. Talk to members and ask what experiemce they have with the content goes a long way to promote smooth runs. If players don't want to communicate simply kick them as it is your party, you set the rules.

You need to enforce your party rules if its a clear group, say the intent and how long or how many tries a person is willing to do till a clear is had. If its a farm group you need to communicate to make sure everyone has the clear, don't accept genaric replies like "we wiped at 1%". Make sure everyone is onboard with the stratagy you use. This is all simply stuff that takes no time to do.

[WinterLuna]

Azazua_azura, thanks for your response and support I agree that people need to communicate more, but I still think the reasons for not forming their own clear party are not a valid reason to be rude and join a farm. They could ask how to create one if they don't know how, and if they don't want the responsibility of being a leader, that doesn't mean they should ruin someone else's farm party as that's selfish. If they have a social disorder, they could still /tell the leader and explain that to them instead of rudely joining. Most leaders would understand that There's absolutely no excuse for joining a farm and not saying a word if you don't know what to do.

I agree with all of your suggestions, they're great. We definitely need more filters and options. Again, thanks for the response!

[Brill_]

Why not just ban all inexperienced players from the game?

I have no problems with more PF customization options. But I've been in numerous "farm" parties where everyone already has a clear that go worse than learning parties, so I don't see how this option will really change anything.

I call bs on people that say they are willing to help. That doesn't happen. I've setup numerous learning parties myself for content and every time an experience person joins, they flip out when someone dies and rage quit. I have a better chance of finding a unicorn then I do finding experience people willing to help people that haven't got a clear yet.