Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Dante_V]

Let's be real here, if we go in get a message, drop, and demand a show of tokens and 8/8 people show them, well then someones obv lying. Beyond that the chances of the OP's suggestion getting implemented are small for what should be obvious reasons. So you will either proactively weed these people out when the message pops or deal with them there. That's on you. It's a non issue for me. If the people can't be bothered to take ten seconds to actively show they have the achievement then they can find another party.

[karateorangutang]

Let's be real here, if we go in get a message, drop, and demand a show of tokens and 8/8 people show them, well then someones obv lying. Beyond that the chances of the OP's suggestion getting implemented are small for what should be obvious reasons. So you will either proactively weed these people out when the message pops or deal with them there. That's on you. It's a non issue for me. If the people can't be bothered to take ten seconds to actively show they have the achievement then they can find another party.

Ah so your against the system working with you to create easy solutions then.

We'll agree to disagree then.

[Voldemort]

Once everyone joins the party, put in the party chat what exactly are the rules.
If you make it clear that your group is a farm party, every player must have multiple clears, and this is not to get your first clear, then you should be set.

If someone does join for a clear, you report them to the GM. If you have evidence that your rules for the party were explicitly stated in the form of party chat, and the new player still refused to leave, then you have a case with the GM.

Or... you could just block every player who comes in for a clear. Never have to worry about them again.
Requiring an actual clear to use the party finder is a bit unnecessary. Besides, I've found plenty who know their role in the fight, but the rest of their party sucked, so they technically didn't have the clear. But perform optimally in farm parties.

[Whiteroom]

Let's be real here, if we go in get a message, drop, and demand a show of tokens and 8/8 people show them, well then someones obv lying. Beyond that the chances of the OP's suggestion getting implemented are small for what should be obvious reasons. So you will either proactively weed these people out when the message pops or deal with them there. That's on you. It's a non issue for me. If the people can't be bothered to take ten seconds to actively show they have the achievement then they can find another party.

Only your suggesrion is a work around that wastes everybodies time and the amout of clears you get. Where as if you have the option in PF, no ones time is wasted. I have better things to do, both in game and out of game, than to play whodunit with freeloaders. It is a rather simple suggestion to a, at least on my server, common issue.

Requiring an actual clear to use the party finder is a bit unnecessary. .

Please read the OP, she is not requiring a clear to use PF. She wants to have the option for setting up farm parties in PF.

[Dante_V]

I have better things to do, both in game and out of game, than to play whodunit with freeloaders.

Yet you are here, wasting time on the issue, and doing so in futility because the suggestion isn't going to happen. The fact of the matter is a clear doesn't mean a successful farm regardless which makes all of this moot because bad players get carried. ESPECIALLY on Jenova. You will get a lot further enforcing performance standards against all players regardless of clear than wasting time weeding out people who haven't cleared if your conditions are clear and farming.

[Whiteroom]

Yet you are here, wasting time on the issue, and doing so in futility because the suggestion isn't going to happen.

Waiting on dps queues. And yes I consider this less of a waste of time than hunting down people who join PF farm groups without having it on farm. And its obvious that having a clear does not guarantee a competent player, everyone knows this. Who thinks in absolutes with any of these suggestions?. But that player has been through the fight and is more likely to know it. The simple fact is, you can have a one click option that saves a lot of peoples time, or you can enjoy playing detective, again, and again ,and again.

[Ashkendor]

Let's be real here, if we go in get a message, drop, and demand a show of tokens and 8/8 people show them, well then someones obv lying. Beyond that the chances of the OP's suggestion getting implemented are small for what should be obvious reasons. So you will either proactively weed these people out when the message pops or deal with them there. That's on you. It's a non issue for me. If the people can't be bothered to take ten seconds to actively show they have the achievement then they can find another party.

Right, and therein lies the problem. You end up just disbanding the party because one asshole decides it's cute to waste everyone's time and won't speak up when we ask who's new. Sure we could go in there and pull and see who fails at the first two mechanics over and over, but again, that's a waste of time. Having a clickbox option in Party Finder avoids the problem entirely.

[Whiteroom]

Right, and therein lies the problem. You end up just disbanding the party because one asshole decides it's cute to waste everyone's time and won't speak up when we ask who's new. Sure we could go in there and pull and see who fails at the first two mechanics over and over, but again, that's a waste of time. Having a clickbox option in Party Finder avoids the problem entirely.

And then others drop party as well, so now you have to find more replacements. Hell, sometimes I see people drop as soon as the bonus message comes up.