Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Ririndo]

Yeah block them! How dare they be first timers? Only the master race that gets born with all the exp deserves to play!

[Ashkendor]

Yeah block them! How dare they be first timers? Only the master race that gets born with all the exp deserves to play!

I spy with my little eye someone that didn't read past the thread title!

[Ririndo]

I spy with my little eye someone that didn't read past the thread title!

But.. but its more fun this way. ._.

[Azazua_azura]

This is a bad idea.

As for locking people out who haven't cleared .. Nope.. Don't want that to happen. It will just make it harder for people to get clears.

Party finder isn't duty finder, it is meant to be exclusionary. It is a tool players can use to build parties with LIKE MINDED players to do content. If you are not wishing to farm the content you are not of the same mind as the leader.

And only thing that is making it hard to get clears is the players themselves, they don't want to build parties for themselves. Party finder is a bare tool and could use more options. Having more tools is never a bad idea.

[Krazymagic]

This issue is easily fixed with simple communication. No need for additional features really. I find many people are terrible communicators in groups. Excellent at complaining when something goes bad but terrible at initial leadership. Verify everyone has cleared before going in. If people lie then they lie, and you kick them out. Its easy to tell when someone is a first timer...

[Ashkendor]

This issue is easily fixed with simple communication. No need for additional features really. I find many people are terrible communicators in groups. Excellent at complaining when something goes bad but terrible at initial leadership. Verify everyone has cleared before going in. If people lie then they lie, and you kick them out. Its easy to tell when someone is a first timer...

It's not easy to tell until you've wasted all the time it takes to: fill the party, enter the instance, see the message, facepalm, interrogate the party, wait around awkwardly while you wait for someone to fess up, and decide to pull the boss anyway. With the kind of time you're wasting there, when you figure out who's new and back out to kick them, odds are at least one or two other people are going to decide they have better things to do than to sit in PF again thanks to an inconsiderate asshole trying to catch a free ride.

[Krazymagic]

It's not easy to tell until you've wasted all the time it takes to: fill the party, enter the instance, see the message, facepalm, interrogate the party, wait around awkwardly while you wait for someone to fess up, and decide to pull the boss anyway. With the kind of time you're wasting there, when you figure out who's new and back out to kick them, odds are at least one or two other people are going to decide they have better things to do than to sit in PF again thanks to an inconsiderate asshole trying to catch a free ride.

I just dont see that scenario as very typical. Most people will admit their experience level. The issue's being talked about here are so easily handled before you even go in by simple communication. I just dont run into a lot of these issues in reality, and when someone does join the party and doesn't qualify for what we need its just easy to tell and deal with before going in.

[Phireblast]

This issue is easily fixed with simple communication. No need for additional features really. I find many people are terrible communicators in groups. Excellent at complaining when something goes bad but terrible at initial leadership. Verify everyone has cleared before going in. If people lie then they lie, and you kick them out. Its easy to tell when someone is a first timer...

So how am I supposed to show a proof of clear when I don't have the item I desire? The only thing someone can do is secretly check the player's lodestone, but most people have their achievements private by default. If we're speaking strictly 3.0, we COULD show a totem, but it wasn't so simple in 2.0.

[Ashkendor]

Most people will admit their experience level.

If they were the type of people that were going to fess up to being new, they wouldn't even join in the first place and this thread wouldn't be a thing. In my experience, most people that crash parties like this just sit quietly in a corner hoping they don't get noticed until after we've gone into the instance because they feel like the group is less likely to kick them once we're inside. Finally coming forward as the new person after the party lead has threatened to disband the party doesn't qualify as "admitting" your experience level. Making the party pull 2 or 3 times to figure out who's screwing up the mechanics in phase 1 isn't "admitting" your experience level. In both cases all they've really accomplished is wasting 7 other people's time while trying to get a free lunch.

[WinterLuna]

I just dont see that scenario as very typical. Most people will admit their experience level.

Just because you haven't personally experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No, a lot of people don't admit their experience level. It's not the party leader's fault that someone joins who is inexperienced or hasn't got the clear if they don't speak up, or lie about it. It's also not the party leader's responsibility to baby these people and carry them through content which is why this option is needed.