Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Coatl]

Aye. I joined a farm group today for Ravana EX and the bonus law message came up. I didn't care as long as we got the kill, and to me Ravana EX is not a very demanding fight.

We hit enrage twice. Didn't clear once. I realized there were multiple new people immediately. That's just not cool. Don't join farm parties if you don't know what you're doing. It takes time to put up a PF and things like one new guy joining can make an hour of waiting and twenty minutes of wiping be for naught.

[Greyfrost]

Lol, funny thing is, I'm that guy, as in, I'm the newbie entering a farm party, but I had multiple experience up until final lib and enrage.

I joined the farm party, they saw the fresh meat bonus, they then linked proof of their clearance, weapon/totem/wing/etc.

Then I said, "Me, I'm the new guy", then the berating ensues, leader decided that it's only fair that I was given a chance.

End result, I stayed to farm, 2 others got kicked because they messed up multiple times. Fun times.

Although it is not really recommended to join a "Farm" party when you're still a newbie, but there are people out there that hasn't cleared but knows the entire fight, at least until enrage.

>_> Most farm parties I joined gets farmed instead of farming said boss.

EDIT: Adding opinion

Having an option to allow ONLY people who have cleared to join the party would be a somewhat in-between good or bad idea, although having more option wouldn't hurt imo.

[Eidolon]

This idea is purely good.

I don't think people who have not cleared are incapable of beating the content, obviously. It's very possible that someone who has never cleared before / has new player bonus could well be better than a player who has cleared one time and can link the drop they got lucky enough to win (Gods know I've carried enough corpses through Rav-ex.)

However, I do think people that -have- the clear are more likely to know the fight and not make the basic/novice mistakes. Note that I say 'More likely', as you at least have experience through the clear.

I hate when we make a Clear/Semi-Learning and people who haven't even seen Gana phase join the party, haven't watched the movie, etc etc.

Lol, funny thing is, I'm that guy, as in, I'm the newbie entering a farm party, but I had multiple experience up until final lib and enrage.

I joined the farm party, they saw the fresh meat bonus, they then linked proof of their clearance, weapon/totem/wing/etc.

Then I said, "Me, I'm the new guy", then the berating ensues, leader decided that it's only fair that I was given a chance.

I'd of kicked you right out the gate. Especially if you don't say it until we enter. Sorry - if you lack the integrity to say it out the gate before we get in, you're not welcomed in my parties. It's just how I tend to handle things.

This is honestly the major issue I have with people in PF. When they lie and join and don't say anything 'until it's too late', they eat up a slot and rob you of the decision. They try to strongarm you into bringing them along.

I'm not going to allow it if there's a lack of honesty and transparency. Someone with enough decency to send a tell, however, potentially will be welcomed after review with the party.


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On the note of the OP;

Yes, an option to block first timers from Party Finder is perfectly fine, as long as it's a clickable option as suggested. I pray SE never has us 'unlock' party finder options for clearing, as that will hurt our ability to do PF for specific things (And let's be fair - we'll just select 'Read Comment' in those cases.)

[Seiryuukishi]

As I don't join farm groups I couldn't care less about the whims and woes that accompany said task. If I had to put forth an opinion on the subject it would be take what you get and deal with it or don't. I don't get the best of circumstances with players as a healer but I don't come here looking for a band aid. The problem is inexperience so teach them. You don't want newbs? Once they learn they won't be. Then you all can farm, farm, farm until you're blue in the face. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. A check box doesn't solve the problem it just seems like it because people can't be bothered to, you know, act like people.

[WinterLuna]

The problem is inexperience so teach them. You don't want newbs? Once they learn they won't be. Then you all can farm, farm, farm until you're blue in the face. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. A check box doesn't solve the problem it just seems like it because people can't be bothered to, you know, act like people.

I DO teach them. That was the first thing I said. The majority of people joining the farms aren't asking to be taught. They are keeping quiet in hope nobody will notice and can get a carry. So it's my obligation to teach every new member that joins each one of my farm parties, so I can successfully farm? Don't be ridiculous. The problem is the players who can't read a party finder rule or decide to be rude and selfish and ignore it. I'm not a mentor. I shouldn't have to teach everyone.

[Greyfrost]

Snip

I guess I should have made it more clear although this won't justify my case, there are at least 3 people in the said party that can vouch for my credibility to clear the content be it learning/farm party, they kinda dragged me saying it's okay.

It's alright, don't say sorry, I was in the wrong, I deserved to be kicked in that instance since the party clearly states no newcomers, I'll have to credit the party leader at the time for his judgement allowing me to join the party.

I should've said beforehand that there is a newbie with them, or not join the party at all.

As to why I said that this idea is in-between good or bad, it's because of

The bigger problem are people who were carried on their kill and are really bad but join farm parties anyway after their carry win, many farmers are like this.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I myself have joined PF Parties that were farm parties with out the clear.

As a general rule though, I do either tell message the party leader for their approval or join the party and immediately inform them of my "noob" status for the general consensus of the team.

If they're not ok with it, I politely bow out. (How ever, being rude and just kicking with out saying anything after I've been honest will almost certainly result in being placed on my black list)

I've been given a chance before with out the clear and the team just ask me politely to leave until I have some more experience, and I politely thank them for the chance and bow out. I've also been given the benefit of the doubt and completely wreaked the boss with the party like I had run it a hundred times. (Which I usually have via trying and dying).

How ever, the rudeness of not speaking up prior to a run and ending up ruining it for every one else is something that needs to be culled as it make for an even more toxic environment. And the Elitists are already toxic enough with out being rilled up by inconsiderate trolls and rude "Sleeper" rookies sneaking in to the elitist farms.

I guarantee there'd be more nice "Farm Masters" willing to give people a shot if people would stop being rude and jumping in Farm parties with Zero experience. (And I'll personally attest that a video is no substitute for practical experience in raid level content)

[KaedrianLiang]

This won't fix anything. Even when there is no bonus, meaning each player has cleared it before. There are still too many players that don't know what they are doing.

In the end, you will get what you want, but still find something to whine about, use your friend-list, add competent players or join a FC focused on raiding, trials in general.

The tools are already in-game for you to avoid incompetent players, giving you another will make little difference.

[OPneedNerfs]

More options to fine tune PFs the way you want it is always a good idea.

I support this idea and many more that may allow people of different playstyles to group with ones with similar views/goals.

[NatSilverguard]

whoooow, the self-entitlement carebear is strong on this one.