Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Felmyst]

Felmyst, nothing is stopping the first timer from making a group in the Party Finder for a first-time clear. Please read and understand the thread, it might keep you entertained while you level.

No, this is a matter of separating people. It does not mean if anyone did a kill they will be better. Some people are excellent at doing their homework and watching videos and study, or even have better dodge reflexes then anyone who done it.

OP want to the option to put a barrier. Where in reality the problem lies into the community being honest to each other. Primals farming a thing everyone wishes to accomplish for the weapons, TT cards and ponies or whatever motive people have behind them. Farming is farming.

Make social network, linkshells friends, contacts. Then go for the win with such pre made group. Party Finder is a community tool. I understand it's not perfect to everyone's eyes but blocking people from each other is a terrible idea.

Nobody around one night? Tempt your luck with community and just hope people are honest. And besides if you know they are first timer. It is because you achieved the kill anyway and that they got their achievement appearing in chat log. So that is another BIG point.

So please understand other's point of view as well before being judge mental.

[Archaell]

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Anybody who did the kill has improved from their state before they did the kill. It is safe to say that experienced players in general are more likely to be better.

You can't really enforce honesty in a MMORPG game without barriers and penelaties when most of the players just care about themselves. Why do you think we have penalty for leaving duties? Because players are selfish.

Just yesterday I saw a Thordan wipe party in PF. It was laughed at, as who would waste their time when they can snuck in a farm party for easy kill? Not having the barrier is actually making it harder to create learning parties, because the community is on individual level seeing them as ineffective for their time.

You can be sure that unless players aren't allowed to do something, many are going to do it, because there is no real punishment on the Internet in a group of random people.

[Kolaina]

Felmyst, it might keep you entertained while you level.

i'll admit i lol'd

[Ashkendor]

It has more to do with party comp than bads, especially in the older stuff. That matters a lot more when stuff gets launched.

"I cleared T1-5(even T3), T6, T7, and got T8 to 2% in DF."

By then you and your group outgeared it and the strats had become standard. Day 1 progression is a whole different game.

Hahaha, right? Imagine T7 in DF day one. Group didn't have a ranged to kite? GG Renauds. Enjoy your ready-made failure.

No, this is a matter of separating people. It does not mean if anyone did a kill they will be better. Some people are excellent at doing their homework and watching videos and study, or even have better dodge reflexes then anyone who done it.

I love when people do their homework and watch videos before queueing up for content, but watching a video and studying up on the fight is completely different from actually being in it. Videos don't give you the same sense of timing as actually going through the mechanics, especially since party comp is highly variable. Party DPS is also a factor - having higher or lower DPS than the people in the video can cause phases to be pushed oddly or be stretched out longer. Videos are meant to be guides, but the only thing that can tell you how to optimize your play within an encounter is being in the encounter itself. Someone that hasn't been past a certain point in the encounter (or even been in the encounter at all) is lacking information that's vital to the success of the group. It's not just a matter of knowing what to do. It's a matter of reacting quickly when the time comes.

So please understand other's point of view as well before being judge mental.

Nobody here is being judgemental, and I really wish people would stop implying otherwise. Many of the people posting in favor of this option often help newer/less experienced people learn and clear content. My raid static spent six weeks leading up to Heavensward running several hours of learning parties every Saturday night. We love helping people, but we also have times when we want to simply go beat the ever-living hell out of something with people that already know the fight inside and out.

[Naliee]

Alright, since people still don't seem to understand this, here is what the OP is proposing.

An option, for use within the Party Finder, wherein either one of the currently existing options or a new additional option to be added that enables a player who has the clear to make it so that no one [/b]without the clear[/b] can join.

Thus, this suggestion, is purely for use by players who have already cleared a piece of content to get other players who have already cleared a piece of content.

They are suggesting that it be disabled for players who have not cleared said content and to block those players only from joining the PF group that has the option enabled.

They are not suggesting the dissolution of players who need to learn or clear.

For example:

Player A is a player who is brand new to the content. They decide that they want to create a learning party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, player A creates a Learning party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player B is a player with moderate experience in the content, but no clear. They decide they want to make a clear party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player B creates a Clear party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player C is a player who has beaten the content one or more times. They decide they want to make a Farm party. They select all the options, but unlike A and B, can select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player C now has a farm party that only those who have seen the entire fight and defeated it can join.

Player A sees Player C's party on PF, but can't join his party - because he hasn't even been in the content yet.
Player B sees Player C's party on PF, and sends him a tell saying "Hey, I've been to 1%/enrage, got room?" and Player C can decide if he wants to take him. Otherwise, Player B cannot join.

This is not a difficult concept. This is, plain and simply, an option for those who have cleared the content to be grouped with players who have the clear. It is not an option to dissuade or otherwise block out players from accessing the content - only from accessing the party finder of those looking for fellows who also have the clear.

Maybe add this quote to first post WinterLuna and add PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING.

[ruskie]

We love helping people, but we also have times when we want to simply go beat the ever-living hell out of something with people that already know the fight inside and out.

This, sooo much this. I don't mind helping. If bored I'll join kill parties and such(or even randomly DF exs/coils). But there are times I am not in the mood at wiping for hours on the simplest mechanics because someone is new to the fight. But yes I never had a problem allowing "new" people to join farm parties and such - and so far for the most part it wasn't bad. They understood the fight to the point where it wasn't them doing the mistakes. But sometimes it would be nice to be re-assured that upon entering you won't get that "new player message".

[Felmyst]

Are you done being rude people? I have did read the whole thing of it. So knock it off with the toxic behavior and allow people to express their opinions as well. Plus name calling in a post is prohibited. Since people are being so rude I am reporting name call I am going to see.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Are behaviour being rude people? I have did read the whole thing of it. So knock it off with the toxic behavior and allow people to express their opinions as well. Plus name calling in a post is prohibited. Since people are being so rude I am reporting name call I am going to see.

/facepalm.

There are so many well thought out explanations of why we want this feature to be added, along with counter arguments which have raised some valid thoughts on this matter.

Just labelling this toxic behavior clearly shows you have no fully understood the wealth of information provided, nor have you reached a point to be capable of farming content we are discussing.

If you had, you would of experienced what we are all talking about and would be able to either agree or disagree without the need of "labelling" us all as "toxic"

[Naliee]

OP want to the option to put a barrier. Where in reality the problem lies into the community being honest to each other. Primals farming a thing everyone wishes to accomplish for the weapons, TT cards and ponies or whatever motive people have behind them. Farming is farming.

Excatly, farming IS FARMING. Not the time to help newbs with their clears.

Make social network, linkshells friends, contacts. Then go for the win with such pre made group. Party Finder is a community tool. I understand it's not perfect to everyone's eyes but blocking people from each other is a terrible idea.

Nobody around one night? Tempt your luck with community and just hope people are honest. And besides if you know they are first timer. It is because you achieved the kill anyway and that they got their achievement appearing in chat log. So that is another BIG point.

So please understand other's point of view as well before being judge mental.

Even new people can make friends, ask FC for help or make LS specificly for clearing/training content. I know because I was in few for coil and Bisex & Ravex.

[Felmyst]

Even new people can make friends, ask FC for help or make LS specificly for clearing/training content. I know because I was in few for coil and Bisex & Ravex.

Yes I never disagreed to this. In fact I am all for promoting the use of communication between players. If people would communicate more like it was the case back in early days of MMO's, it would eliminate half the complaining.

But Party Finder should remain a tool for the community in general. The item level is already enough of a big setting that allows to weed out a good amount of players, like casual players who might not necessarily have the same item level. And even force some people to play on their right job where they can delivery their A game.