Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WinterLuna]

Sure SE make it happen, just exclude all the new players so they spend more time queued in duty finder due to less people seeking because most veterans have the filter on, then the newbies have to resort to pre-making a group in shouts or party finder for an (essential part of the game)leveling and story progression, so veterans can farm(not essential but wanted)stuff with less stress.

It's not your job to carry people, but if SE likes money, this is a no-no.

Edit: saw your other post. No worries

[Wobble]

I don't have a problem with this even though I don't use PF often. I do have one question though, how about someone running on an alt that will still give the new player bonus? With this in place they couldn't join the group even though they have done it.


Generally when I get in an instance on my alt I let them know I'm the new player but tell them not to worry it's an alt.

[WinterLuna]

I don't have a problem with this even though I don't use PF often. I do have one question though, how about someone running on an alt that will still give the new player bonus? With this in place they couldn't join the group even though they have done it.


Generally when I get in an instance on my alt I let them know I'm the new player but tell them not to worry it's an alt.

That's true, but it would only have to be cleared once for you to be able to join a farm. If you know the fight and have experience it shouldn't be too much trouble.

[Dererk]

I don't have a problem with this even though I don't use PF often. I do have one question though, how about someone running on an alt that will still give the new player bonus? With this in place they couldn't join the group even though they have done it.


Generally when I get in an instance on my alt I let them know I'm the new player but tell them not to worry it's an alt.

Hmmmm I'm kinda on the fence about alts joining farm party's when said alt hasn't cleared here's why.

1. Its an alt it will most likely not be as strong as their main.
2. Their main and alt may have play diffrent roles jobs. Sure they may both be dps but a BLM plays much differently than say a BLM.
3. Even if a person say their an alt but they cleared it on their main. How do you know if it's true from what I understand there's no way to even see if people are telling the truth like this.


I will agree that something like this may be needed but what OP is suggesting may be too extreme for SE to even consider.

Here's my story of what happened. Me and a friend wer trying to help our other friend get their clear in T12 in 2.5. What ever can't remember when lock out was removed. Any way I made a clear pt in PF we got in wiped a lot our friend decided that they weren't going to waste any more of our time so I dissbanded the party because me and my friend wer going to farm T12 since we had our clears. We filled fast once we got in bonus message came up (I will let it be said that I think the visible bonus message is one of the stupidest things ever.) Once we saw that message me and my freind wer like nope not happening when our freind still needed their clear wer not putting up with people who join a farm with out telling before hand that they haven't cleared. Majority of the party left because one person was inconsiderate. And guess what.

It was a person from our earlier clear party....... Thing is we found this insulting when we were trying to help our freind and some others to clear it only for this to happen.

[Sapphic]

2. Their main and alt may have play diffrent roles jobs. Sure they may both be dps but a BLM plays much differently than say a BLM.

Really?

I thought a BLM played exactly like a BLM :P

But, even with this option added, which I'm not against even though I don't use PF outside of Fate parties. Actually this is one of the reasons why I don't bother with PF. My own experience was way back in 2.0 after PF got added trying to get Titan HM clear for PLD relic. Got a player who after numerous wipes (I stated in PF for people who know the fight, as PLD relic wasn't my first 2.0 relic, had already cleard titan a few times before). A member said he had no idea of the fight and expected me to teach him without saying anything before we wiped multiple times.

But, back on topic. This will NOT stop players joining who bought clears and have less clue on mechanics than someone who is new and actually practiced mechanics a few times instead of taking a dirt nap as soon as the fight starts so the sellers can get them the clear.

Just another reason to go with the rest to make content selling against the EULA. In before: I've enough Gil to pay for any content. I pay to play, not to pay others to play for me. Also I've been offered to join sell parties, I told em to go *censored* themselves.

[WinterLuna]

But, back on topic. This will NOT stop players joining who bought clears and have less clue on mechanics than someone who is new and actually practiced mechanics a few times instead of taking a dirt nap as soon as the fight starts so the sellers can get them the clear.

True, but it would still filter out a lot of players trying to sneak in for a clear and then leaving. A bad player is a bad player, and there's nothing anyone can do. But there's a difference between a bad player and someone sneaking into a group for a free clear and/or the loot.

[Sapphic]

True, but it would still filter out a lot of players trying to sneak in for a clear and then leaving. A bad player is a bad player, and there's nothing anyone can do. But there's a difference between a bad player and someone sneaking into a group for a free clear and/or the loot.

Bad players can get better with a bit of self motivation. Those who sneak in like that are just douches. Simple as.

Just to clarify, I'm all in favor of adding this option.

As I don't join farm groups I couldn't care less about the whims and woes that accompany said task. If I had to put forth an opinion on the subject it would be take what you get and deal with it or don't. I don't get the best of circumstances with players as a healer but I don't come here looking for a band aid. The problem is inexperience so teach them. You don't want newbs? Once they learn they won't be. Then you all can farm, farm, farm until you're blue in the face. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. A check box doesn't solve the problem it just seems like it because people can't be bothered to, you know, act like people.

You're asking others to treat said players with respect, yet where is the respect from them for joining farm parties with close to or zero experience of the fight and wasting everyones time instead? Respect is a two way street and joining farm parties expecting everyone else to be your teacher b*tch is as far from being respectful as you can get. Theres nothing stopping those players, except their own laziness from starting their own learning party, It may take a bit longer to fill and it is not unusual for some who have said content on farm to jump in and help.

Looks at it from both sides, not just one.

I DO teach them. That was the first thing I said. The majority of people joining the farms aren't asking to be taught. They are keeping quiet in hope nobody will notice and can get a carry. So it's my obligation to teach every new member that joins each one of my farm parties, so I can successfully farm? Don't be ridiculous. The problem is the players who can't read a party finder rule or decide to be rude and selfish and ignore it. I'm not a mentor. I shouldn't have to teach everyone.

This.

Players teach when they want to. Not when others expect it. This is the reason PF was added so you could set flags and comments to look for like minded players, Farm parties look for people that are proficient with the content that clearing (barring the odd wipe due to sometimes differences in strats) not to teach. Theres the options to state that first timers are welcome, that they are happy to teach. As I said before, if there isn't a Party Finder set up which suits an individuals needs there is nothing stopping them from creating their own PF with their own requirements.

To be fair all they are doing is hurting themselves, as majority I know if that happens to their party is blacklist the person who did it. Which reduces the amount of parties they could join every time they lie their way into trying to get carried. As you cannot join a PF if the creater has you blacklisted.

[JayCommon]

I don't think this will happen and rightly so. Almost every single party finder would be locked out from newcomers which is wrong and i believe SE would feel the same way.

This is not a good reason to not implement the idea presented in the OP. Almost every single party finder that is set up for "clears" will put the boot to the new player anyway. What you say, already happens in-game. There is literally no reason to not have this as an option.

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This may be one of the rare cases where I began agreeing with your post, and then as I progressed I stopped sharing your point of view even though I did give you a like... I agree that if this is implemented they need to put a check in-game to make sure you have actually cleared the content you are asking others to have cleared. However you continue on to blast vets for not wanting to help. You present your opinion as if the veterans asking for this option should somehow feel bad about excluding new players from their parties.

I counter with, the actual rude person in this situation is the person who falsely joins a "farm" party without knowing the fight, and expecting people who put the learning time in already to carry them. I join learning/first clear parties every once in awhile to try and help people out, but I am not obligated to help these people when I do want something for me. And then the spat of this "Me, Me, Me" stuff............

Am I in charge of gearing up the playerbase? Am I required to devote my personal time for other's gains? I can only help people so often before I, ya know, actually do want to do some stuff that benefits me as well. You also need to realize that, as a new player, MMO's progress with or without you (not you per se, but colloquially). If you want to jump into the train later than everyone else, it's no one's fault but your own. When content comes out, *news flash*, everyone is new. Many of us put the hours in, wiping constantly, to learn these fights. And then a month later, a new person sneaks into a farm group where everyone else is prepped to clear, and wipes happen because of the inconsideration shown by the individual who joined a "farm" party and has never even beaten the content before.

I have patience. I enjoy helping others. I do give new players a chance. But sometimes, I want to farm also. Why are you making it seem like the people who don't want their farm parties destroyed by 1 inconsiderate person are the bad guys here?

You would not use kill exp only etc in the message, just simply put a your dps must be this much at minimum.

I'm utterly shocked this comment made it this far without someone just completely shutting you down. *lets you borrow his flameshield* If you keep verbalizing those types of opinions around here, you will need it. Just for the record, I agree with you and would love some type of in-game parse program (mainly because I play on PS4 so I'm kind of screwed), but oh my some of the people here think parsing is the worst thing to ever happen. Especially the way you presented it (using to prevent players from joining because of low DPS is literally, one of the hottest topics on the forums and the one that has the playerbase most divided)

The left edge of the shield got dinged up when The Hunt was introduced, but it's mostly intact.


Thread Idea: +1

[Canadane]

If anything, Duty Finder should be exclusively for people who've beaten content already.
But then those on low pop servers would never get anywhere, I'd imagine.