Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WingsOfNth]

@ wingsofNth

i know what you was saying about gmod, I was just teasing as ur literally the only person in 11 years of playing 30 mmo has ever called a GM a Gmod. (and i met alot of ppl)

Party finder groups are not meant to be all inclusive, yet people treat it as such.

I say GMod because in world GM stands for Game Master. Or someone people call it a DM Dungeon Master.

[Azazua_azura]

I say GMod because in world GM stands for Game Master. Or someone people call it a DM Dungeon Master.

umm dude.chick/lizard/dragon person

THEY ARE CALLED GAME MASTERS. -_-;;

even in ff11 they was called gm. even had GM next to their name. even the help file called them game masters

[WingsOfNth]

GM is term that predate MMORPG's It's referring to the person who runs a game of dungeons and dragons and control's the story. Gmod is just another way of saying Game Mod with "Mod" being a shortened form of the word Moderator. This is all common gaming vernacular. A lot of Wow's system where in add ones that 90%+ people used. But they did exist because I used them myself. A program with a download count of tens of millions upon tens of millions.

Not one person is blockong anyone from anything

Even with out oing into detail on the OP's views on the subject expressed in all her views. You do know the title is "Block first timers from the partyfinder" You're clearly the one who is a little lost on the nature of her idea.

[Azazua_azura]

@WingsofNth

The Winter luna already mentioned and agree'd the thread title was not done well, and her myself and a few others reported to the thread to have the title changed. If you took time to read the thread she has 0 intent to block new player, jusdt first time clears, and only from parties she sets up on farms.

ALSO the gm are called game masters not moderators. They was called game master in ff11 to, if you actually ready any active help file, the lodestone. or reported anyone it clearely states "game masters" team If you actually read my posts i was teasing aka joking around about Gmod as NO ONE calls them that. XD

I think you need to spend more time reading less time posting.


also i just confimed you don't know anything and are infact lying. ALL LIVE LETTER and LETTERS FROM THE PRODUCER are translated either live if its at an event, sub title in the video, or recently in the digests and not once he stated what you claim.

Honestly so far you give and have been giving generic replies to any question your given. Nothing you have stated makes any sence, and does nopt come off as a 12 year mmo vet. U calling gm gmod is a bit of a red flag. And rather what your stating is really and largely incorrect. And your not providing proof of stuff you claim either.

I'm not trying to put you on blast, but i really dislike how your posts come off, You are free to make an opinion, but if you talk about stuff have evidence to back it up.

[Ercapote]

I'm back I'm back

Took a break and when I come back I see out friend keeps at it... listen.... my friend...

Everything you've barking all night has just been SUBJECTIVE ASSUMPTION, you can't prove anything you are claiming it's going to happen, so don't put your opinion as fact because they aren't, a function that don't allow new players on a party finder is not going to create any segregation of any sort and won't hurt this community in any way shape or form, you are over reacting over a matter of an option to allow players to have a more secured and enjoyable experience.


No one says that new players won't be able to talk/see/interact with higher skilled players with experience on those fight, no one is stopping the new players to watch the same guides those skilled players make specifically STEP BY STEP for them to see watch and learn, no one is stopping them from getting help from FC members and FRIENDS.


Honestly DROP it, whit the last post you send me you went way OFF TOPIC and since theno most of your post has been almost non-sense hitting different point with not clear outcome.


It's an OPTION not a mandatory segregation of players, it's supposed to make people's life easier, it's not harming no one aside from the moron who abuse such party with that in my world means JUSTICE (I'm not batman tho)

And to answer to you question about "WHAT IF IT'S MY ALT"

R - Send a tell to PT leader and ask if you can join...

[WingsOfNth]

Of course I can't show you a man in a lab coat saying THIS WILL HAPPEN! But you can see it with your own eye what happens to communities that are allowed to shut out entire groups of players. I always hate bringing up WoW but it's really prevalent there and it's also pretty bad in Ever Quest and Guild Wars if I had to name a few. Just because someone sounds good does not mean it's good. Can you honestly name a single name that lets you filter out entire chucks of the community that is not full of teeming full of toxic players? You'd be hard pressed to. If you want to be able to filter everything in a group down to the smallest detail, then play with friends.

PS: I'm arguing against the idea because it's toxic in nature. Yoshi P has already said those filters will never be a thing. =P So that's a weight off my mind.

[Azazua_azura]

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Not to sound mean, but..... you have no idea what you are talking about do you. I don't recall WoW having a party finder system, or have options to block players out of content. Not one person is blockong anyone from anything. You you just read the title, or have absolutely no idea what the thread is/has been about.

First offb DF and PF are not the same nor remotely the same.

DF- set up to be all inclusive for player to play the game and get content done.

PF- a system for players to form and join groups for like minded reasons. Joining a farm party to farm, joining a learning party to learn, joining a clear party to clear.


It was suppose to be exclusionary. It has been stated many times that having this option doesn't change anything. People who haven't cleared the content are not welcomed in farm parties anyway, this option just enforces it.

Try seeing it less toxic/elitist and more open minded, (way you come off you just read the title and nothing else)

player A forms a farm party- the comment states you need clears.
player b joins looking to clear but says nothing or gives generic replies to stay
players cdefg join and have clears.
Party goes in and "new to duty pops up" there is a shi fesat over who lied, leader forces the group to leave and questions everyone. Player b doesn't communicate it was him. and leader disbands the party.

Player b doesn't get his clear while the rest question each other who lied and start just blisting everyone.

This option prevent that from happening.

It is also harrassment to break player agreements. If a party leader sets up rules for their group, as a player you agree to those rules by joining, which fall under the player agreement part of the ToS. So it is reportable.

Anbd player b could be reported on "disruption of game" due to preventing the players from farming in that group due to player b joining under a lie.

I actually have talk to a gm about this, because I had an incident on the tonberry server where i met the rare troll group jp have. I was in a df party lvling my sch, the blm started to pull making it harder for me to keep the group alive. I politely asked to stop, which the blm started to leroy jenkins in dungeon. The group refused to vote kick him out and group abandon so i was forced to leave, taking a 30 min penalty. GM told me it was considered disruption of gameplay. Pretty much preventing players from doing content as agree'ed upon causing it to stop is considered that because it is preventinbg the people from doing the content the way they set it up.

[Ashkendor]

I understand it's frustrating but an option to block him does not solve the problem. Then you have the farmers waiting longer for the farm and you have the noob still sitting there with no clear. At least when the noob getting out of the way maybe now he'll come back for a farm to get the loot he needs.

A quote comes to mind when I think about this debate. "The rich get richer and the poor stay poor"

When it comes to farming, I'd sooner wait a bit longer to get someone that knows the fight than deal with someone that doesn't. Like I said, I love teaching people things but there are appropriate times and places to do it. Me teaching someone should be by my own choice; I don't feel that I should be basically forced to do it by someone that chose to completely disregard what my party is all about. The only way the poor stay poor in this case is if they don't take the initiative to learn the content.

PS: I'm arguing against the idea because it's toxic in nature. Yoshi P has already said those filters will never be a thing. =P So that's a weight off my mind.

Arguably, people that disregard a Party Finder description simply because they want a clear are pretty toxic themselves.

I'd like to see a link to that quote from Yoshi P.

Even with out oing into detail on the OP's views on the subject expressed in all her views. You do know the title is "Block first timers from the partyfinder" You're clearly the one who is a little lost on the nature of her idea.

She also explained what she meant by that in the first post. We're not looking to completely block people from PF, because then how would we make learning or clear parties? We're looking to prevent without clears from joining parties that want people with clears.

[WingsOfNth]

I'd like to see a link to that quote from Yoshi P.

You can go to the live letters and watch them. I'm unaware of any transcripts of the live letters. A lot of the more recent ones have had live English support. All transcripts I've found are of documents written in Japanese such as patch notes.

The only way the poor stay poor in this case is if they don't take the initiative to learn the content.

It's not that simple. You can go back to read over my posts for the answer. I've already disregarded a habit I have about repeating information in som of my recent posts. I've nothing to hide. These posts will be up as long as the forum stays up.

Arguably, people that disregard a Party Finder description simply because they want a clear are pretty toxic themselves.

I'm not denying that there are some scummy assholes out there. But you're right it is arguable. It's not so cut and dry as you have a single right answer. It's a community problem.

[Ercapote]

SNIP.

and once again in this loop over and over again...

please explain to me how this is toxic in any way, shape or form?

please think thoughtfully your answer because if you tell me it will hurt new players I will stop taking you serious once and for all.

let me explain you why...

1. it's an option.
2. it's a function on PARTY FINDER (which) is an optional way to make a party.
3. It's a option meant for a "experienced players" party, meaning no (new players.)
4. It doesn't block contact/interaction with the party leader as you can still talk to them and send them a tell.
5. New players SHOULD NOT join these parties because they aren't supposed to.
6. New players can still ask for help.
7. New players can still join LEARNING/CLEAR parties that are meant to learn or go for the clear.
8. New players can freely crack up a guide and learn (like anyone else) (This guides are made by those experienced players who beat the fight and help the community by explaining them step by step how they work, this guides are made by their own experience and knowledge).
9. only affected players by this feature are BAD/TOXIC/INCONSIDERABLE people who only care about their own win and probably won't touch the fight again.

so please answer correctly because I'm tire of the loop and non-sense. HOW IS THIS FUNCTION TOXIC IN ANY WAY,SHAPE OR FORM?



PS: I honestly think "Azazua_azura" is right, looking at your post now, I do say you only read the title of the Threat and Misinterpreted the Idea of OP.

and this is me trying to make some sense on your attitude and replies to not make a fool of yourself "completely" or "more", but I THINK you THINK this function is to block new players for the USE of party finder. IT'S NOT. It's an option within the PT FINDER only when you are creating YOUR OWN PARTY so new player cannot join YOUR SPECIFIC PT allow farm pt to consist only of experience players and FARM.

new players are still able to use PT FINDER, no one is block from that privilege.

I hope that puts some light on your way because you are seriously lost.