Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WingsOfNth]

They're dozens of solutions to your problem that can be fixed by just being lazy be it as a casual or a hardcore. If you want change to happen then how about you be that change. You want players to let you know they are new? Stop kicking new players and teach them fights. Why do you thin knew players have to pipe down? Even if it is a farm. Some content is so old that you only find farm parties anymore. When is the last time you saw a Titan Learning Party? If proof of completion is that important to you then get off your FC chat and jump onto the Lode Stone. (Everything I've said applies to everything in the game. Be it Party/Dutyfinder or crafting out front of the FC mansion.)

No game Dev in there right mind thinks it's a good idea to split up a community even if only by a filter. Because that is what it is, a Community. I gave you three perfect solutions. Feel free to use them. Requests like this only make the divide between casual/hardcore and noobs/veterans even larger.

[Archaell]

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Great suggestions that could lead to... elitist community.

I can't shake off the feeling that after the initial period of helping others the sheer amount of work it puts on few individuals would eventually result in white listing and that would prevent even more new players from learning the game.

"Are you on the list? No. Well sorry we can't help you, but if you get refferenced by another member of our society we might give you a shot. Of course if you fail your friend will be kicked, so tread lightly..."

It looks great on the paper, but help from the top can't last long without players helping themselves from the bottom.

[Ercapote]

same old same old.

you are missing the point, it's for the same specific reason like number 2 that something like OP is suggesting would be a nice add and would save up the time and problem, "I DON'T NEED RUNNING SHOES TO RUN, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS" so instead of going to all the fuss you are calling people "lazy" for, getting out of the game to check on the website this specific person's achievement, if not visible requesting them to show them (this might even lead to some back and forth), ""that specific person would need to get out of the game also to change setting" probably will need some guidance (just to prove he's on farm) and if they don't comply will end up in probably drama, insults and a bad vibe, just to kick them anyways...wasting time for me and 6 other people to put up again a PF and wait for that one person to join back that it "might depend between 2,3 or 20 minutes for someone to join back" and if it's a TANK or HEALER might end up disbanding the party......TO SAVE ALL THIS TROUBLE AND PROBLEMS it will be nice to just have a feature to just not allow players that has not pass the fight yet.

ho! let's not forget you will need to do this with every single person that comes to your pf..definitely not a good idea

for "number 1." not everyone is your static, not everyone has the skill to 5 man an ex primal, and definitely not everyone will have the same coordination with 8 random people as you have 5 static members, 1 person can actually screw any current, extreme fight in this game specially if they are tank or healers, and if they are dps they can actually clip other member with mechaninc and end on disaster... and those 15 minutes of smooth clears to "FARM" becomes a tiring run of hitting your head with a wall, people get tire, start loosing focus, keep wiping, etc... which is why a "farmir" PT exist, so we don't run into this scenarios...

so number 1 and 2 are just base on your complete OP which in MY OP are poorly though, just because you had a better experience with a static and don't mind wasting time getting of the game to single handle check every single member that comes into your PT, doesn't mean everyone will be ok doing that, we are not you!.

and for "number 3" and part of your " number 1". GUESS WHAT! not everyone single person lives on mommy's basement, have all free time in the world and dedicates 100% to this game. some of us work, some of study, some of us just have a very busy social life, and some of us "like me" in the worst case scenario have all those 3 combined.

- SUUUURE helping the community helps you in the long run.
- SUUUURE being an skillfull player will help you "carry" the slack of other
- SUUUURE you are to over yourself and your static that you fail to realize that not every single person on this game has a dadicated "STATIC"

you fail to realize "again" that not everyone is you, you fail to realize that 8 random people will not...
- have the same coordination as 5 dedicated static (you know? sometimes has nothing to do with skill but rather "communication")
- with that comes, "comfort". because you and your static have done the fight together 300 times and know exactly how each of you play doesn't mean that 8 random people will exactly know what is the next move of their team m8.
- and last but not least, is not the same 5 skilled players, probably decently geared or greatly geared than 8 random people with different gear levels, and super perfect robotic skill to not gt hit or screw one move to perfectly acomodate the fight like 5 skilled static members can do.

so, back on point, "SOME" of us don't have the time to waste 40 min to create a PF to then wipe, back up, kik, probably disband as some people will be impatient and or just don't have time for that, recreating the pt wait another 40 to have a possible change to get another "new player" to F up your party again

HO! and guess what! some of us just can't have a fully dedicated and timed static to work around the game, some of are yous normal people who just want to come along and enjoy a game we really love so yeah, good for you and your static for helping people that's a plus and something really nice to see withing our community, but some of us just want to take that little time we find to progress as much as we can when we find this little time on our busy lifes...

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, if I wanted to help the community I would create learning party to teach new people, I won't create a "FARMING" party to have people sneaking around to abuse the time from others who probably just don't have it, or people who just want to get their loot and enjoy an smooth play rather than wiping time and time again...

and bout your last post...if the content is not relevant anymore there wont be "farm parties" it would be outgeared and EASILY beatable if you ask anyone I'm sure they will not care to carry anyone I don't think new people will find any problem to fit in any of those fight... this threat is focused on current content...and that NOOB/VETERAN nonsense you just gave it to much tough as this "famr" "learning" party already exist, this will just allow for people to not abuse from other to get something for themself and screw everyone else.

have a nice day and take those "DOZENS SOLUTION" wit you as we are not interested on any of them, we are fully aware of how things work. thanks.

[WingsOfNth]

My points have nothing to do with elitism. Hell I don't even raid that much anymore simply because I don't find it fun and choose to focus more on completionist stuff atm like minion collecting. Obviously it's implied that not only should end game players help newbs but newbs should help themselves. That goes with out saying. Your type of thinking is why people just stick to there crowds of friends and ignore the outside player base letting the game die. I can pick up a shitty no name mmo that I used to play and still find the game thriving with it's own establish player base because it's filled with intelligent people who understand how to groom a society towards making sure everyone is having fun, and yes an mmo player base is a society. It's millions of people gaming together in a world created by the devs. It also takes almost no effort to teach someone how to play FFXIV. With the game devs still learning what works and what does not FFXIV is one of the easiest MMO's out there. I've seen people learn Ravana EX after 1 video and 4 wipes with half the players being new

[WingsOfNth]

And about the comment about me being in my mothers basement? I work full time with a boyfriend and social life and still find time to help my fellow man in the game while keeping part of the world/server first race with end game raiding and I know tons of casual people who don't raid who do the exact same thing. It all comes down to you being lazy and selfish and out to only help yourself (Which in 3-6 years from now if you're still playing will only come back to bite you in the ass) If someone who works, cares for another, and lives a vibrant social life outside of the game can help people while still being end game and getting everything I want done, done. Then someone who really is a basement dweller can help a million times more.

[WingsOfNth]

I would also like to point out as evident in MMORPG's like WoW. The alienation of new players is what kills MMO's. You should be thinking further ahead then what loot might drop from the monster you're killing

[Ercapote]

AGAIN, we are not all you

m8 at no point in my comment I mention you as the person living on mommy's basement, If you felt offended by it that's your business.


quick been so full of yourself for one, I've as much as you have helped, tons load of fellow members of this community to beat fights and patches, even went above and beyond as to easy some of the fight as solo tank/heal to allow a extra DPS in a party, and WHEN I'M HELPING them is when I CHOOSE to spend MY time to do THAT, NOW! when I CHOOSE MY time to PROGRESS then that's when I WONT CARRY NO ONES TO WASTE THAT TIME. again we are not all you, ho! you good for you to work full time and socialize and find time... I do also work full time, from 8am to 5pm and have to go to my university from 5:15pm to 1am + studies +work projects + girlfriend + 5 days a week living me weekends to probably attend to more bussines stuff, more work project and be human a little with family and friends, leaven probably just a few hours on sundays and or choosing between sleep or game, which most of the time consist on running some roulette and or lvling some classes.... so YEAH! quick putting yourself as the general example as if anyone lives like you do, and again. I've help the community as well... but if I'M ON A FARM PT IS TO FARM NOT TO CARRY AND WASTE TIME. nothing greedy aboutit. in fact is more greedy to take advange of people like me to get your win get out and possibly steal your loot.


btw quick note, you can edit your last post to avoid the character limit of your post.

[Azazua_azura]

Wingsofnth what the heck are you talking about, You do know this is PARTY FINDER not DUTY FINDER, the point is TO FIND LIKE MINDED PLAYERS TO DO LIKE MINDED CONTENT.

INFACT read the games active help section on party finder, states that it is used to form parties to do all content. Pre formed groups are not "playing with randoms" Like duty finder.

[WingsOfNth]

Wingsofnth what the heck are you talking about, You do know this is PARTY FINDER not DUTY FINDER, the point is TO FIND LIKE MINDED PLAYERS TO DO LIKE MINDED CONTENT.

INFACT read the games active help section on party finder, states that it is used to form parties to do all content. Pre formed groups are not "playing with randoms" Like duty finder.

So I can assume from this quote that no one you play with in the PF is a random? he PF and the DF are vurtually the exact same thing. Only with the PF being cross server and the PF being locked to server only with the ability to be picky. It's still random. If you're playing with a full group of friends then you don't use the PF or DF -_- You just jump into the content

[Noxifer]

PF and the DF are vurtually the exact same thing. Only with the PF being cross server and the PF being locked to server only with the ability to be picky. It's still random.

It's not entirely the same, no.

DF: You enter the instance, get grouped up with random people who might have completely different levels of experience and expectations, and once you're done -- if you down the thing -- you're highly unlikely to meet the same people if you go back in. Any tactics you agree on, and voicechat options, have to be discussed during the time limit of the duty.

PF: You're able to state the intent with the party so like-minded people can join you. You can discuss tactics and plans beforehand. You can select specific loot rules depending on what kind of farm it is and what type of gear people are after. You can discuss voicechat options before going in, to make call-outs easier. And most importantly, you can go into the duty with the same people several times.

Yes, the first time will be the trickiest, when people get used to the other players' way of doing things, but every time after that will be easier and easier -- and a farm party usually has the "Multiple runs for the loot" checkbox ticked in, meaning multiple runs are intended.

Likewise, a practice party are able to specify which phase they intend to practice, and ideally they get other party members who are at the same stage. And a clear party will ideally be joined by other players who're aaaaaalmost there.