Lalafell Forehead Gem Accessory vs Garlean Eye?

[ExKage]

Does anyone have any good comparison shots?

It just occurred to me, and I realized that Fufucha, the Botanist Guild Leader, has one of the Lalafell gems.

The only really close shot I have found on the internet is this, believe it was posted in the Show your Lalafell thread by Atamos Vesperae:


Now look at Nero's


So far... they sorta look the same @_@

Are they the same? Does anyone here have a better image of the Lalafell forehead accessory? IS FUFUCHA GARLEAN? (jk)

Edit: Is it just a graphical issue or is there something more to these? I know only pureblooded Garleans have the 3rd eye but what exactly does it entail?

[Anonymoose]

Are they the same?

Not according to anything we know so far.

The lalafellin gems are particular to the Dunesfolk clan, and though they all look the same in game, if you were to get up close to one in-world, there would be (what I assume to be twelve) varieties, as these represent the Zodiacal sign of the lalafell in question (though, whether it's birth month or "guardian" I have no idea, since the game doesn't require that these match). This is rarely, if ever, mentioned outside of character creations.

Compared to the Lalafellin gems, the Garlean third-eye lacks the diamond-shaped "setting" for the stone, and instead seems to just be a white, circular gem set into the head itself. We know nothing about it aside from the fact that Cid claims all pure-blood Garleans have one and rumour says that it allows them to see in all directions at once.

[ExKage]

I KNOW THERE IS AN EDIT INCOMING. I LOVE YOU ANONYMOOSE.

Something else I was thinking of, which is just "Lalafells and the Garlean Empire"
I've also decided to delve into the other topics I've pondered about. Lalafell in the Garlean empire.
I've seen one conscripted Lalafell here.

But where do you think they were conscripted from? Lalafell primarily came from the Southern Seas. Do you think they were taken when Ala Mhigo did? From Othard's imperialization?

On similar note, Wedge and Garlond Ironworks.
Is Wedge "Garlean" by virtue of his working for Cid and having him as his mentor? Did Ironworks exist before Cid left Garlemald and went to Eorzea so he could have brought Wedge along from that time? Or is it more likely that Wedge joined under the Ironworks once Cid came to Eorzea?

[Anonymoose]

It's like a zipper post!

But where do you think they were conscripted from? Lalafell primarily came from the Southern Seas. Do you think they were taken when Ala Mhigo did? From Othard's imperialization?

I don't trust anything the game tells me about what races "came from" where or who lived where "first," anymore. We're told the game from points of view and they're often wrong. For example, the Elezen would have us believe that they were the first to settle Eorzea and the Hyur "invaded" in great migratory waves when that's pretty much only true of the post-Sixth-Calamity re-settling. The farther back you go, the less accurate the information is. Recently, lots of a lalafell came from the southern islands. Who knows how far back this is true for, though, you know?

The fishing log, for example, tells us of a fish brought by a Lalafellin prince exiled from Othard. There's another fish in the Black Shroud named in the lalafellin tongue by the "first" Lalafellin settlers in the realm.

I'd say it's a pretty fair assumption that at least the Five Races were created by Hydaelyn at the birth of "this" world - the physical world in which we currently live (if not the world, at least her sphere of influence, whatever that is). Recent comments from Koji (Fernehalwes) are worded in such a way that almost nearly kind of confirms this. Where the Au Ra and Garleans fit into this is anybody's guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Five Races are global and have been settling, migrating, and resettling in various clusters for ages and ages.

They could have been conscripted from anywhere. However, those enemies in your screenshots look to be of the VIIth Legion under Nael van Darnus, whose ranks were heavily fortified with Ala Mhigan conscripts after returning from the Eastern Theatre. That parcitular Lalafell might be Ala Mhigan. He's a mage, so he was surely conscripted from somewhere not-Garlemald.

Did Ironworks exist before Cid left Garlemald and went to Eorzea so he could have brought Wedge along from that time? Or is it more likely that Wedge joined under the Ironworks once Cid came to Eorzea?

In the Crystal Tower story arc, Cid is talking to Wedge and says "we" left Garlemald, so I figure Biggs and Wedge have been with him since before they defected. On the way to Garuda, Cid says that he "built" the Ironworks after arriving in Eorzea, but I'm relatively sure a number of his team worked together before that (possibly for a different incarnation of an organization by the same name). I don't remember for sure at the moment, but I think we even see a little Echo of them together at the time.

[ExKage]

This game gets confusing! D:

I figure that Cid, Biggs and Wedge knew each other Pre-Calamity. When you meet Biggs and Wedge while Cid is amnesiac they know of and have worked closely together and such. I guess what happened is that Cid and a few others (namely Biggs and Wedge) have worked together but never had a company (the Ironworks). Once they arrived, they decided to make one.

I have had someone ask me if Elezen are the oldest inhabitants of Eorzea. I mentioned that I don't believe it is the case but others said "Yeah, of the playable races." However "The Elezen once claimed sole dominion over Eorzea, their presence predating that of the other races, and, as such, developed a heightened sense of honor and pride." comes from the ARR Races section. Is this a statement that is continued by the Elezen or is a word of god statement?

[Anonymoose]

I guess what happened is that Cid and a few others (namely Biggs and Wedge) have worked together but never had a company (the Ironworks).

It might have been the [Midas nan] Garlond Ironworks, now that I think about it - an official Imperial company (if that name existed at all back then). Cid worked closely with the Garlean leadership, like his father, advancing their war machina and was sickened by how it was actually put to use. His conscience made him defect to Eorzea in hopes of advancing their technology far enough to not be helplessly mowed down by his own creations. Building the [Cid no-longer-nan] Garlond Ironworks in Eorzea, they adopted the motto "Freedom through Technology" to reflect that they would never allow their work to promote tyranny.

"The Elezen once claimed sole dominion over Eorzea, their presence predating that of the other races, and, as such, developed a heightened sense of honor and pride." comes from the ARR Races section. Is this a statement that is continued by the Elezen or is a word of god statement?

It's canon misinformation - an SE-sanctioned lie told to you from the point of view of as far as Eorzeans know and the Elezen claim. The lore team for FFXIV saw that many games contain books, NPCs, and system interactions that imply this impossible omniscience about the game's world, and they didn't want Eorzea to be like that. Sometimes a revelation is meant to clear up an unknown and help you understand, sometimes you're getting a false prophet telling you what's apparent to them at the time.

A probable example, imho, is the Thaumaturge quest where the Brothers Thaum take you to learn about dark magicks first-hand, and they've got you at Thal's Respite reading their book on the void and all the bats swoop down and they're like, KILL THE BATS! THEY'RE VOIDSSSEEENT! and the fighting draws the attention of these slugs in the water and they're like, KILL THE SLUGS! THEY'RE VOIDSSSEEENT!

One that's actually confirmed, some Lamia freed from Dalamud wreckage end up in Sastasha HM and their names show Lominsans assuming that they, like Madison, were over-Drowned people because they know nothing about Allagan technology.

[dejiko_san]

If no lalas post theirs before I come home from work, I'll get you a screenshot of my character. The gem is similar but ours is more round instead of oval. We also have a bigger decoration around it.

[LineageRazor]

[/I]One that's actually confirmed, some Lamia freed from Dalamud wreckage end up in Sastasha HM and their names show Lominsans assuming that they, like Madison, were over-Drowned people because they know nothing about Allagan technology.

That's interesting! Where is this confirmed? I always assumed that these Lamia WERE over-Drowned, victims of Leviathan just like all the squid-faces. Either Leviathan knew what Allagan Lamia were like and modeled the Drowned Wenches after them, or it was simply coincidence that their particular mutation happens to resemble Lamia.

Actually, now that I think about it, isn't it also possible that Allagan Lamia ARE created from over-Tempering, or a similar process? We know next to nothing about how Lamia are created, and the Allagans WERE doing a lot of mucking about with Primals...

Allagans: I wonder what happens if we dunk this woman in Primal juice, FOR SCIENCE? Ooh, a Lamia! Cool.

Leviathan: For your failure, wench, I'm going to Drown you again! Ooh, a Lamia! Cool.

[ExKage]

One that's actually confirmed, some Lamia freed from Dalamud wreckage end up in Sastasha HM and their names show Lominsans assuming that they, like Madison, were over-Drowned people because they know nothing about Allagan technology.

Oh, OH! I see what you mean now. The game names the Lamia as Over-drowned people as a case of the misinformed because those people just -assume- they must be overdrowned because they have no idea what the Allagan technology is. And I didn't even make the connection that the misinformation was being presented through the game hud text and not (for some reason my perception was this) an NPC telling us "oh those overdrowned!!! people!"

[Anonymoose]

That's interesting! Where is this confirmed?

Funny enough, in the same interview question I was paraphrasing a few posts ago, lol.

In many games, NPCs tell you exactly what’s going on in the world. They just know everything about the lore and everything is true. In the real world, people don’t always have the answers, even though they talk like they know what they’re talking about. We wanted Eorzea to have that feel, as well. There are lots of different theories, but not everyone has the right answers. People sometimes assume things that are relative to their own lives; if a Lominsan sees these Lamia with their scimitars and they think pirate, what else could it be, for them? They don’t know about Allagan technology.

The mileage we get out of those interviews on the forums is amazing <3

Isn't it also possible that Allagan Lamia ARE created from over-Tempering, or a similar process?

In theory, it definitely could as we head towards the fringe. Before 3.00 kind of downplayed the significance of the six primals being elementally aspected, I had thought it possible that perhaps Allag created Lamia by tapping into the Essence of the Whorl, so to speak - the essence of the Land from which Leviathan was shaped with Sahagin folklore and expectations (hell, to take it further, I thought perhaps the sahagin were created that way). There are lots of details which remain unknown, though Occam's Razor has a pretty good track record even in FFXIV, nowadays.

And I didn't even make the connection that the misinformation was being presented through the game hud text

Before I was positive that the system text, too, could reflect in-world assumptions, the mob Deepvoid Deathmouse used to bug me so bad.