NINJA BUFF PLEASE.

[Nielk]

Before everyone rages on me and says we don't need a buff. just going to say there's a leader board post showing the highest to lowest dps chart of ppl who beat A1S-A4S and Ninja is always stuck at a constant 1200ish type parse while everyone else is at an easy 1300-1400 parse without any trouble. i'v been playing my class like i always have and ninja been a great class since 2.5 but since heavensward the class feels very under powered for A Regular Dps FYI its not support. so i don't understand why its not doing amazing damage like MNK or DRG. here the Link
before everyone rages on me ^^; Yoshi p Please we need a buff were the only DPS class that didn't get one in 3.07 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sLaoo/pubhtml#

[zcrash970]

Okay, ninja isn't much weaker than the other melees.

1.) A1 and A2 have adds so caster dps numbers are going to be fluffed quite a bit
2.) Ninjas are the weakest in terms of aoe burst
3.) NIN is weaker than the other melees but provides Trick Attack and Goad and aggro modifiers

Using raid parses is kinda bad to determine if a job needs a buff. Look at SMN in FCoB. While the job was fine itself, it was put in a situation where it was always going to weaker than a BLM.

SE might just give NIN a pity buff and only add a very small potency increase to a couple of skills

EDIT: Also the problem with nin parse numbers is that NIN dps doesn't depend on the player skill alone. For all we know, those players could of really bad latency issues.

[AsunaStrife]

Ninja indeed is much weaker than the other 2 melee's, at least after the latest monk patch they were handing out. If you want to give the melee's an order in terms of how much DPS they're capable to burst out it'd probably be MNK > DRG > NIN, DRG and MNK can swap on certain fights obviously, whereas NIN will remain the weakest if everyone plays their class properly.

If every melee class is doing their job properly in Savageturns the ninja should be behind the drg / mnk by like 50+ dps with the same gear (a3 and a4, dont really care for 1 and 2).

With the latest patches and 3.0 out ninja can be easily replaced by monks, both drg and mnks have way higher damageoutput, so why bother with having the tank e.g. tank in sword outh with shadewalker for more damage if you can just use mnk / drg instead?

Not asking for a huge buff or anything, but giving the stances the magical buff back for 20% on Raiton would be enough already to satisfy me and make the ninja worth it again in terms of damageoutput.

[SpookyGhost]

Ninja indeed is much weaker than the other 2 melee's

Trick Attack.

[AsunaStrife]

Running with DRG / MNK combo pretty much makes up for Trick Attack mate, especially Monk's dps alone is so much higher than ninja that Trick Attack is basically not needed anymore. DRG is in the party anyway for the Bard buff (considering you are running bard).

[MrCookTM]

Running with DRG / MNK combo pretty much makes up for Trick Attack mate, especially Monk's dps alone is so much higher than ninja that Trick Attack is basically not needed anymore. DRG is in the party anyway for the Bard buff (considering you are running bard).

But 'making up for' and 'much weaker' are entirely different things. Also TA still makes burst phases much easier, a departement where mnk is still lacking. Not saying that mnk is in a bad spot, mnk is in a really good spot post buff. The way you make it sound though is more like drg+mnk is obviously the superior combination, which is not true.

[LeeraSorlan]

The class beat savage without feeling like it was carried.That says enough

[Greyfrost]

Ninja doesn't need any buff, imo it's in a very comfortable position atm, without being very strong hence fearing a nerf, or very weak hence desiring a buff.

It is NOT a support, it is a burst DPS with perma GL2 and the easiest to extend and an access to utility to Goad, and Trick Attack.

The class is very desired in every RAID party, and here you are, whining and asking for a buff.

If NIN is buffed to be able to do the same DPS like DRG or MNK, then no raid party will ever, EVER, want to recruit any DRG or MNK, and just run Double NIN as their melee DPS.

If you're doing 1200 DPS and still not happy with what the class is bringing alongside that 1,2k DPS, then NIN isn't the class for you.

Though, mudra lag is an entirely different issue.

[Butcherboy]

[QUOTE=Greyfrost;3312839]Ninja doesn't need any buff, imo it's in a very comfortable position atm, without being very strong hence fearing a nerf, or very weak hence desiring a buff.

It is NOT a support, it is a burst DPS with perma GL3. It's actually a permanent GL 2 not 3 if ur comparing similar numbers.

[Arow22]

If NIN is buffed to be able to do the same DPS like DRG or MNK, then no raid party will ever, EVER, want to recruit any DRG or MNK, and just run Double NIN as their melee DPS.

Think this sums up the those that don't want a buff- don't buff ninja cause am another class and don't want to suck. Most of the post to not buff ninja is people that don't even have a lvl 60 ninja on this post in reviewing profiles (couple but most don't). Think those that do have some suggestion to help the class in some way. Either with AOE, Mudra lag, TP, etc... Can't wait to see what SE does.