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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad-phx View Post
    Don't care what it looks like, don't care what its called or if it glows. Let me either retain what I already put in it or continue customized stats or the relic will no longer be of interest to me. Not meant as a angry"give me x or riots" post, the only reason I did the previous relic was its 100% versatile stats. No customizing = no personal interest.
    That seems to be the common consensus among everyone so far. The custom stats really set the old relic apart from any of the stock weapons, including raid ones. In fact, the stat bonuses given with Zeta were so good (if you did yours right) that I found myself using my zeta all the way up to lvl 56-57 just because the secondary stats I had on it was better than the weapons found in game. I don't think I was alone in that, because I often saw Zeta weapons in dungeons as high as the Vault.
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    I honestly would not even want to hear about another Relic, lol.
    Stat carry over would be awesome, and perhaps just me but some sort of glow control of sorts or option to choose glow color?
    And it is true for certain classes that Zeta was still best until around level 57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    I honestly would not even want to hear about another Relic, lol.
    Stat carry over would be awesome, and perhaps just me but some sort of glow control of sorts or option to choose glow color?
    And it is true for certain classes that Zeta was still best until around level 57
    Glow colour would be cool lol. The only reason I even cared about appearance is because I hated the Drg weapon shape up until Zeta. It was so ugly, and then they made it worse by making it glow purple even though it's base colour was blue O_o. The Zeta (Black and Red) looked much better.

    And yes. It depended on what stats you put on your relic, but the custom secondary stats out preformed a LARGE number of normal weapons that were supposed to be stronger. There was a bit of a trade off, though. For example, Higher level had a slightly stronger dmg per second rating or, in the case of PLD shields, Block strength and Block rate were slightly higher in weapons that had a higher ilvl, but only by a minuscule amount.

    To put that in perspective, the physical attack between Excalibur Zeta (ilvl 130) and Baldur Sword(ilvl 160) is 58 and 63 respectively. That's a difference of a measly 5 pts of physical attack delivered every 2 1/2 seconds, roughly. Worse yet, Baldur Sword is a lvl 60 req sword. Level cap to Level cap, there was barely a difference in terms of stats gained. Compared to the Zeta, it was pitiful.

    To give you an idea, on my PLD, I basically stacked pure DET (Max) and CRIT (High, but I split a few points) across sword and board. Despite finding a couple of weapons that had stronger auto attacks/bock/block rates between levels when I got to lvl 57 (a lot of weapons below those levels were inferior even in these stats) it wasn't until lvl 57 that I found a weapon that FINALLY beat my zeta in Determination, barely. The plus stats I gained off of the higher ilvl weapon came at a cost. Instead of having a 2nd, useful, secondary stat like CRIT, I ended up with a totally useless stat, Parry.

    All in all, My Zeta stat allocation was still preferable, but I needed the higher ilvl for dungeon requirements. If it wasn't for the ilvl req, I probably would have used my zeta until getting the Doman gear, because that's the first set of gear that has any distinct jumps in stats over Zeta.
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    Please remove RNG.

    If I have to spend two hours every single day for three months advancing my weapon, so be it. As long as I don't have to spend a week getting irritated that others have gotten twice as many and I have nothing to show for it after days of attempts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora View Post
    Please remove RNG.

    If I have to spend two hours every single day for three months advancing my weapon, so be it. As long as I don't have to spend a week getting irritated that others have gotten twice as many and I have nothing to show for it after days of attempts.
    I agree with this wholeheartedly. I actually gave up on my relic for a long time during the ATMA stage, because I had a FC mate who got 5 of the stupid things in as few days, but after a MONTH of grinding FATES in the same zone for hours on end I had one. With that drop rate, I wasn't keen on spending a year just to get all my ATMA, so I flipped table and gave up. I think the only reason I even went back to it was because another FC mate was doing it and needed company. I stuck it out... but then came Zeta drops... that very nearly made me drop this game entirely. NO ONE should have to do over 70 runs of a dungeon just to get their drop. That's lunacy.
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    Alright, I'm gonna list what we've got so far. I apologize for the wall of text, but I'm gonna break it down in three stages. The bold parts are the important bits. Feel free to pick out my two cents on it and contribute where you see fit. Agree, disagree, add to it or take away. Let's get our list of demands for when we hold an SE employee hostage.

    For the weapon:

    1. Return of the custom Statistics!

    I don't think anyone is arguing that this is the single most requested thing to return to the new relic.

    2. SE honours their Zeta compensation promise.

    Most people want their old stats to carry over to the new relic, but I'm not sure how this would happen. The first thing that comes to mind is using the old relic as the base for the new, as we did with Zodiac. That sounds fine on paper, but the problem would be the players who didn't do their original Zeta. Those players would have no base to start on... Which is probably why SE stated that the New Relic will not be tied to the Old. An alternative would be giving the Zeta players the ability to allocate their new relic stats with no/or less of a penalty than fresh players. Ie: if we need to use materia to gain new stats for our new weapons, Zeta players can simply skip that part and allocate their stats for free or at a diminished cost. Maybe they'll give us tokens we can exchange for Materia of our choosing from a Vendor, instead of stiffing the price on the MB.

    3. Customization options / Zodiac theme

    This one is a little outlandish. The idea put forward was that, like airship construction, we could have a workshop dedicated to customizing the shape of our weapon by trading out pre-rendered designs. Ie: You want this hilt with this blade, in this colour...etc. It's not likely that this will ever be a thing; however, I do think that we should, AT THE VERY LEAST, be able to customize the colour of the weapon or the colour of the glow of the weapon (if the new weapon even glows at all). Let's face it, some of us got shafted with some ugly colour combinations that just didn't suit us.

    Also, personally, I would like the new Relic to better reflect the Zodiac theme. Give us shapes and designs that reflect that in some way.
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    The Lore:

    This is an obscure one and touched on in the last list, but people seem to have requests about it, myself included.

    1. Original Relic Owners / Zodiac Braves / Trials:

    The last Relic quest touched on this story line, and gave us books that supposedly detailed the tasks of these talented warriors, but we don’t really know much about the original owners of the weapons or the true connection to the zodiac signs. Give us some details and incorporate them into the quest somehow. The original Relic had us merely simulate the fights the original Relic holders did. We basically do an imitation, but not the genuine oracle. That’s just not as cool… Give us challenges that are up to snuff. Personally, I want to fight a Lucavi, but that’s just me.

    2. Expansion on the Zeta lore.

    The Zeta relic, supposedly, has its own mind and consciousness…and that’s it. We worked our asses off to build this thing a personality only to have it glow. I was personally hoping for a little more out of that plot point than that.
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    Must say what Februs wrote up matches with what I'd like to see as well.
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    In terms of cosmetics, I would really like to be able to "paint" the glow of the weapon. Even if they're just five preset colors that I choose from an NPC, at least the weapon can feel personal.
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    #noglow please... just add bits to it that glow is what I prefer. Or something more delicate than the novus/nexus glows... my eyes...
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