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  1. #471
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    Yawnie's Avatar
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    Mewmew Rielle
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    So can someone give me a few pointers on MCH? It's not my main job but I'd like to be more efficient at it if I can.

    From what little I gathered a typical wildfire rotation does about 9-10k damage without a drg or nin? I kinda deflated a bit since my usual wildfire burst does 6-7k lol

    My rotation typically goes something like this: RS / B4B / HE / hotshot / leadshot / reload / split shot / hypercharge / wildfire / slugshot / quick reload, reassemble / clean shot / rapid fire / gauss round / split shot / ricochet / slug shot / head graze / clean shot / blank

    Then if I have around 2 seconds left on wildfire I remove gauss barrel and manage to get a split shot in before it ends. I feel like I'm doing something wrong since I sometimes even get a measly 5k ; ~ ;
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  2. #472
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    Myon Miya
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    Viper Lv 100
    Don't be too focused on your wildfire numbers themselves, as they will vary depending on your gear (ilvl), stats (even if same ilvl, do you have too much sks instead of crit?), whether buffs are up (DRG/NIN/AST is around), whether RNG likes you (people only post their 'good' numbers, obviously). As long as you're doing your rotation correctly and see the correct number of weaponskills compiled into wildfire - you should be confident that the number you see is the correct one for your situation.

    As for the opener you posted, you should take that hypercharge and stick it between hot shot and lead shot instead - there's a gap there that's going to waste, plus why turn down another 10% buff to lead shot?

    You're also doing split, slug, clean after rapid fire which is slightly wasteful, because slug and clean are already instant cast with procs. You want to do split, slug, split instead because split shot will always have a cast time and thus benefit the most from becoming instant (we would do split, split, split if we could, but this would cause the procs they create to overwrite each other which is wasteful).

    Sum all this up and you get a modified rotation that looks something like this,

    B4B, HE, RS (weakest to strongest, so weakest falls off first)
    Hot Shot, Hypercharge
    Lead Shot, Reload
    Split, Wildfire
    Slug, Gauss Round, Reassemble
    Clean, Quick Reload, Rapid Fire
    Split, Ricochet
    Slug, Head Graze
    Split, Blank
    Clean
    Slug

    Everything that is bold is in a non-negotiable position in the opener, everything that is not you are free to shuffle around as you like. For most situations, it really doesn't really make a huge difference whether you use stuff like Blank or Gauss Round here or there, which is why some people have slightly different openers.

    Obviously though, you still want to use them in a sensible manner - use reassemble only on a clean shot for example, and use the correct amount of ogcds after a weaponskill so that you don't clip your GCD (max 2 after an instant weaponskill, max 1 after a manually casted weaponskill or a rapid fire'd instant weaponskill).

    So don't get too caught up in memorizing it literally, you just need to understand why the important skills are where they are, and you can improvise the rest yourself.
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    Last edited by Myon88; 04-25-2016 at 05:02 PM.

  3. #473
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    KarstenS's Avatar
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    Lilli Karani
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yawnie View Post
    From what little I gathered a typical wildfire rotation does about 9-10k damage without a drg or nin?
    Last time I checked the opening Wildfire it did 9,4k without DRG and NIN.

    The DPS spike of that opener was around 2,8k.

    It would be interesting to know, how much the support of the other classes can be.

    I've looked into the data of someone else in the same fight and his opener DPS spike was around 5,2k (that wildfire did hit for 14,4k). The others in the party were DRG, NIN, MNK, SCH, AST, WAR, PLD.

    Do this really make such a massive difference?
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    Last edited by KarstenS; 04-26-2016 at 02:46 AM.

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  4. #474
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    Yawnie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
    snipping useful stuff.
    Ah, thank you so much foryour reply and advice!
    I think I may have been clipping some of my GCD so I might have to work on that for a while.
    Either way you were very helpful :>
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    Last edited by Yawnie; 04-26-2016 at 03:21 AM.

  5. #475
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Last time I checked the opening Wildfire it did 9,4k without DRG and NIN.

    The DPS spike of that opener was around 2,8k.

    It would be interesting to know, how much the support of the other classes can be.

    I've looked into the data of someone else in the same fight and his opener DPS spike was around 5,2k (that wildfire did hit for 14,4k). The others in the party were DRG, NIN, MNK, SCH, AST, WAR, PLD.

    Do this really make such a massive difference?
    I think it does make quite a bit of difference having a drg or nin in the party. I remember doing midan nm with a drg in my party and even just with B4B, HE, and hypercharge up my wildfire actually did 10k damage. Which was pretty exciting considering I've never done that much before.
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  6. #476
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    Sidera Maris
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    Does gauss barrel effect lead shot dot cause I find myself talking GB off to reapply hot shot and leas shot to avoid the cast time the put it on afterwards also reworked my opener I posted earlier its much better.
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  7. #477
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtll743 View Post
    Does gauss barrel effect lead shot dot cause I find myself talking GB off to reapply hot shot and leas shot to avoid the cast time the put it on afterwards also reworked my opener I posted earlier its much better.
    Yes it does. Gauss Barrel is Potency+30% on damage abilities.
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    "new" opener combining old concepts lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT90C_HLLbc
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    Last edited by Aiurily; 04-28-2016 at 07:14 AM.

  9. #479
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    Eve Malqir
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Aiurily View Post
    "new" opener combining old concepts lol

    https://youtu.be/yn4hPR4GPi8
    If I'm reading the opener right:
    Hypercharge > Gauss Round >GB off
    Hot Shot > HE>B4B
    Slug Shot > GB>RS>Pot
    Lead Shot > Wildfire
    Clean Shot > QuickR>Rapid Fire
    Split Shot > Head Graze
    Slug Shot > Reload
    Split Shot > Reassemble
    Clean Shot > Ricochet>Blank
    Slug Shot > Gauss Round
    Clean Shot > GB off
    Split Shot > GB on>QuickR
    Slug Shot > Clean Shot

    The most interesting thing to me as an up-and-coming MCH (47 atm) is that second GCD - Slug Shot. Your WF gets 3 Clean Shots, 3 Splits, and 2 Slugs compared to the standard opener I've been familiar with where it's only 2 Clean Shots with 4 Split/2 Slug iirc. Essentially trading a Split Shot under WF for a Clean Shot.
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  10. #480
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    That is pretty much the principle of it, so you've got it right.
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