Lock and Load: The Reassembled Machinist Guide

[Risaka]

7k is great for the second one, 8k seems a bit low for the first one though.

K actually the 2nd wildfire damage I think it was lower than 7k a little or something because I tried it in Seph EX and it was hovering around 3.5k-4k for 2nd wildfire

However my first wildfire is consistently 8k because I did the opener as it should've been o.o on Ailury's video on the first page of this thread o.o, popped 2 ammo for quick reload and did the opener, sometimes I had enough time to pop that last split/clean shot for the last second of wildfire but its still around 8k =x

[ShaolinMike]

Question for all your MCH vets. I recently got mine to 60 and have been tossing between this and BRD for my ranged DPS/support job. I can execute the opener with my eyes closed (SMN main makes pulling oGCDs in the opener simple), but I found myself doing about 100 more DPS with my BRD on the SSS dummy (both jobs were at i198). My question is about the rotation as a fight goes on. I've been told that the only cooldown to hold is holding Hawk's Eye a bit so it lines up with B4B, so does that mean that you pop EVERYTHING else as it comes off cooldown (specifically your oGCDs like Gauss shot, Head Graze, Ricochet, etc.)?

[Aiurily]

Question for all your MCH vets. I recently got mine to 60 and have been tossing between this and BRD for my ranged DPS/support job. I can execute the opener with my eyes closed (SMN main makes pulling oGCDs in the opener simple), but I found myself doing about 100 more DPS with my BRD on the SSS dummy (both jobs were at i198). My question is about the rotation as a fight goes on. I've been told that the only cooldown to hold is holding Hawk's Eye a bit so it lines up with B4B, so does that mean that you pop EVERYTHING else as it comes off cooldown (specifically your oGCDs like Gauss shot, Head Graze, Ricochet, etc.)?

in a nutshell yes. there are minor nuances, but they won't affect your dps by 100 less

[Aiurily]

went and did some testing for fun again. for ref, here's an older post with similar testing done, but in i210 and with a weapon with faster+lower dmg auto attacks

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...60#post3358060


stats - http://puu.sh/nXcvY/063b770cf2.jpg

gb on split shot - 1420 avg (2138 max 1283 median 1207 min) @ 20% crit rate, 319 samples

gb off split shot - 1095 avg (1647 max 994 median 929 min) @ 20% crit rate, 401 samples

auto-attack - 575 avg (858 max 517 median 484 min) @ 21% crit rate, 2196 samples

rook - 561 avg @ 20% crit rate, 1950 samples

below are estimates. 1.2857 modifier for slug shot, 1.4285 for clean shot, 1.5714 for 1 ammo clean shot

gb on slug shot - 1825
gb off slug shot - 1407

gb on clean shot - 2028
gb off clean shot - 1564

gb on 1a clean shot - 2231
gb off 1a clean shot - 1720

so roughly 30% increase as expected from gb off->gb on.


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actual relevant information

gb on split shot - 1420 avg
gb off split shot+auto - 1670 avg; 17.6% increase
gb off split shot+2 autos - 2245 avg; 58.1% increase

gb on slug shot - 1825 avg
gb off slug shot+auto - 1982 avg; 8.6% increase
gb off slug shot+2 autos - 2557 avg; 40.1% increase

gb on clean shot - 2028
gb off clean shot+auto - 2139 - 5.47% increase
gb off clean shot+2 autos - 2714 - 33.82% increase

gb on 1a clean shot - 2231
gb off 1a clean shot+auto - 2295 - 2.868% increase
gb off 1a clean shot+2 autos - 2870 - 28.64% increase

overall the above contains very rough numbers, with very questionable methodology, with a low sample size, but the general idea is still there.

1 auto:1 gcd is generally a damage increase, and 2 autos1:gcd is a fairly big increase for the duration of that GCD.

tl;dr stance dancing is nice and still a damage increase as our ilvl goes up

[ShadowYomi]

So is the consensus for the 230 relic weapon still the same as the 210 version?

[Wintersandman]

Where did the stat weights come from? It shows something completely different on Ariyala's website.

[Velhart]

So is the consensus for the 230 relic weapon still the same as the 210 version?

Yes. So between the lore weapon and new relic, the lore weapon is better slightly. Its up to you if you rather get more gear and finish your relic, or buy the lore weapon. I am personally getting the lore weapon since I haven't even gotten halfway on the 80 items yet. It depends on your progress in raids. I think ultimately it is still better to get the lore weapon since it can be upgraded.

[Davechan]

Well I think I need to admit to myself machinist is not for me. I thought i'd got a pretty ok handle on mechanics but been called out twice now in the first alexander that my dps is too low.

A shame but i've been a lurker here for a bit. Time to see what other class may be for me.

[Wintersandman]

Well I think I need to admit to myself machinist is not for me.

Don't give up. Have you tried Stone, Sea, Sky? As a new machinist myself I am still perfecting my rotation. Sometimes I nail it and sometimes i fail miserably. Don't get discouraged.

[LunarEmerald]

Yes. So between the lore weapon and new relic, the lore weapon is better slightly. Its up to you if you rather get more gear and finish your relic, or buy the lore weapon. I am personally getting the lore weapon since I haven't even gotten halfway on the 80 items yet. It depends on your progress in raids. I think ultimately it is still better to get the lore weapon since it can be upgraded.

The 230 lore weapon is ~5 dex better in value than the relic. The relic is pretty garbage.