Lock and Load: The Reassembled Machinist Guide

[LinowKitty]

Ok thanks

[ElasmoFan]

I have a couple questions if people don't mind answering.

1. Without food, potions or any party buffs, what should my opening wildfire number and average dps be on a target dummy if I'm at ilvl 208 with a i200 weapon?

2. When saving my cool downs for wildfires 2nd / 3rd / etc, should I be using them in the same order as my opener with wildfire?

3. Under situations where I mess up certain cool downs or I have to wait to use wildfire for a mechanic, should I save cool downs for wildfire so I can keep the timing or use them as I have them and just use what I have left for wildfire.

Sorry about the questions but I've been playing MCH as my main since expansion and now that I'm finally starting to do raid content with friends, I'm trying to do better with the job and just running into little bumps that are very frustrating. I still want to stick with the job and possibly even perfect it but I'm at the point of needing outside help to do that.

[ElasmoFan]

Opps, one last question. Is it worth getting the i210 relic on my MCH since its a buff compared to my current one or should I just wait for them to make Gordian more accessible or I get the Thordan one and just use the relic on another job even though I'll probably be less serious about that job.

[Pence]

I have a couple questions if people don't mind answering.

1. Without food, potions or any party buffs, what should my opening wildfire number and average dps be on a target dummy if I'm at ilvl 208 with a i200 weapon?

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I've not tried unbuffed myself, but my buffed ranges from 8k - 11k WF. I presume unbuffed would be the 7-8k range.

As for the relic Q - i'd say go for it. Thordan is probably better, and if it's accessible for you then go for it - but relic is an ok replacement. But if you're main is MCH you should keep in mind that future updates will more-than-likely let you choose your stats, so it'll be a head start.

Edit: I can not provide my 3m+ DPS sorry, only my WF/burst figures. My 'dummy' is Faust, and it's the normal rotation (I'm pretty sure I got it from the google doc, may have a few small changes for latency). I don't want to answer the other Qs because I've had an amazingly long break from raiding/mch. Only just getting back into it for 3.2.

[ElasmoFan]

what buffs do you use on the target dummy yourself to get that range for wildfire? Also do you having an average 3 min. dps on it?

[zandervont]

Opps, one last question. Is it worth getting the i210 relic on my MCH since its a buff compared to my current one or should I just wait for them to make Gordian more accessible or I get the Thordan one and just use the relic on another job even though I'll probably be less serious about that job.

statwise speaking, even though relic/eso gun is 210il, thordan gun is still techically better choice, only trumped by gordian gun. Still the difference is rather small, as crit gains from thordan can be rng, while relic/eso is 4+ dex (constant dmg).
the differences are really small.

[ElasmoFan]

I'll probably just stick with getting the relic for my MCH then. It's probably better to plan ahead with that as well and have it once it does eventually become better.

So any more advice / answers for my earlier questions? The help I've gotten so far is also very appreciated

[LinowKitty]

statwise speaking, even though relic/eso gun is 210il, thordan gun is still techically better choice, only trumped by gordian gun. Still the difference is rather small, as crit gains from thordan can be rng, while relic/eso is 4+ dex (constant dmg).
the differences are really small.

when i got my relic i did the test, the output number with relic on my wildfire no potion/food was ~6600, with thordan it's ~7500. it's a rather big difference

2~i use them as same order, easier to remember but not sure it's the best
3~ i tend to use my buffs. Wildfire is a big burst, but when you know you won't have time to finish it, it's better to use your short buffs like BfB et our ogcd are not that big so you sync back pretty easily.

[Greedalox]

when i got my relic i did the test, the output number with relic on my wildfire no potion/food was ~6600, with thordan it's ~7500. it's a rather big difference

2~i use them as same order, easier to remember but not sure it's the best
3~ i tend to use my buffs. Wildfire is a big burst, but when you know you won't have time to finish it, it's better to use your short buffs like BfB et our ogcd are not that big so you sync back pretty easily.

Did you only do it once? I'm having a hard time believing that identical damage guns, with only crit > skill speed on a single item being the difference would equate to a consistent 900 damage differentiation.

It's confirmed that Thordan beat outs the relic, but I don't think it's THAT big of a difference. Wildfires are known for their variance.

[Myon88]

I would be very careful about putting too much stock into a handful of parses/anecdotes, it's just not sound statistics (and by 'handful' I mean <1000, or <10000 parses even).

There's no way the tiny crit/dex difference between the Thordan and Anima weapons is causing a 1100 damage difference in Wildfire consistently. There's variance in presence of buffs (maybe your DRG or NIN derped), variance in damage dealt, variance in critical hit rate, player error, latency..

It's very hard to conduct any conclusive tests as a human for that reason. If you want a solid answer we'd need to have it like WoW where the combat mechanics are pretty much known and solved, and you just plug your rotation into a simulator and let it run for a few thousand iterations.