Lock and Load: The Reassembled Machinist Guide

[KilluaKhan]

Buffs are multiplicative
So B4B(10%) x RS(20%) x HE.

No buffs don't buff other buffs like DoTs. DoTs will snapshot based on the buffs you had when you applied it but actual buff skills will not so if RS drops off then it'd just be B4B(10%) x HE.

ok cool, thanks for reply. but just so i am clear..if we add in all the buffs math here now, would this be correct?

Baseline dex = 1000
Split shot(140 pot) + ammo (160) with all buffs - Trait(20%)(x1.2) x GB(30%)(x1.3) x Hotshot (5%)(x1.05) x X-pot(+84 dex)(x1.08) x B4B(10%)(x1.1) x HE(+150dex)(x1.15) x RS(20%)(x1.2) x HC(5%)(x1.05) = x2.819..round it to x2.8 for simplicity, n apply that to split shot w/o ammo = 392 , w/ ammo = 448?
Im also just assuming that ammo just adds on normal potency first then x buff so correct me if im wrong on that. And one more question is the trait says increases base action damage..meaning even richochet or any ocd skills gets that buff too? Thanks

[Griffeth]

Waiting to see what fun changes we might get with 3.1. Also what is this doing on page 2

[MaulScarreign]

I don't agree with BiS list. I think that Gordian Hood of Aiming is better than Machinist's Googles.



with Gordian Hood of Aiming you gain 17 Crit and you lose 58 Skill Speed.



17 crit value = 2.38
58 Skill Speed value = 1.16

Out of values, Imo Crit is better than Skill Speed by far, and overcap accuracy is not a problem.

Where do those values come from? I've never been able to figure out them out.

[Myon88]

Waiting to see what fun changes we might get with 3.1. Also what is this doing on page 2

I think mostly because everything MCH related has been discussed to death - openers have been optimized to perfection, and our actual rotation isn't all that difficult.


Are we slated for more changes in 3.1? That would be exciting. I'm being greedy but I'd really like Reload to be 45 seconds instead of a 1 minute cooldown, it would sync up so much better with our 1:30 Wildfires.

[Aiurily]

i210 yayy

gonna test to see if stance dancing still worth it on some skills at this ilvl now

gear/ilvl/stats


no gb split shot - 851.57 average @ 13% crit rate (755 min 1285 max 802 median) @ 800~ samples
auto attack shot - 415.96 average @ 14% crit rate (367 min 625 max 389 median) @ 1100~ samples
gb split shot - 1117.01 average @ 14% crit rate (981 min 1673 max 1041 median) @ 400 samples
(for fun) rook turret - 434.44 average @ 15% crit rate ( 382 min 652 max 407 median) @ 900~ samples

using those averages and putting a 1.285x modifier for slug and 1.429x for clean (close enough? w)

gb split - 1117.0
no gb split+auto - 1267.5
13.47% gain

gb slug - 1435.4
no gb slug+auto - 1510.2
5.2% gain

gb clean - 1596.2
no gb clean+auto - 1632.9
2.29% gain

gb reloaded clean (1.571x) - 1754.8
no gb reloaded clean + auto - 1753.8
1 damage loss

conclusion? same as usual. this is with the ferdinand; so with the gordian musketoon (high dmg per auto+higher auto delay) you will have better auto numbers as well

additional modifiers will skew it towards gb skills though (bfb, he, rs, wildfire) so keep that in mind

tldr? don't do stance dancing unless you're 100% comfortable. the bulk of the increases are gonna be from fishing for double auto hits in the span of 1 no GB GCD, keep that in mind.

[loreleidiangelo]

Two questions:

1.) Is it not prudent to start pulls with 5 stacks of ammo and Reload off CD? Giving you 10 ammo to start with rather than 7.

2.) Looking at the priority system, it seems like you sit on Reload for 30 seconds to get the most out of having it up for Wildfire? Or am I reading it incorrectly?

Thanks for the responses.

[Velhart]

Are we slated for more changes in 3.1? That would be exciting. I'm being greedy but I'd really like Reload to be 45 seconds instead of a 1 minute cooldown, it would sync up so much better with our 1:30 Wildfires.

I think all jobs are going to get some adjustments in 3.1. Some major, some minor. The balance checks we have gotten between 3.0 release and now have been critical ones that needed to be addressed like the GB/WM issue and some issues with DRK/AST. In terms of MCH, there is definitely some quality of life changes I like to see, but I think the job is in a pretty good spot right now. Most complaints I have would be nit picking like wanting to hide the GB aesthetic. Maybe get a Second Wind like ability if SE is nice.

[Myon88]

i210 yayy

I just realized we're glamoured exactly the same, AF chest with the Miqo'te skirt and I'm guessing those are jet black dyed velveteen halfgloves.

Guess good fashion sense is universal heheh.

[Velhart]

I just realized we're glamoured exactly the same, AF chest with the Miqo'te skirt and I'm guessing those are jet black dyed velveteen halfgloves.

Guess good fashion sense is universal heheh.

I am not a big fan of how MCH's foot armor looks on me. Thankfully its an item I did not need to buy. Not sure what color I want to make my body piece once I upgrade it.

Not much else to talk about at this point, might as well talk about glamour! >_>

[Griffeth]

Two questions:

1.) Is it not prudent to start pulls with 5 stacks of ammo and Reload off CD? Giving you 10 ammo to start with rather than 7.

2.) Looking at the priority system, it seems like you sit on Reload for 30 seconds to get the most out of having it up for Wildfire? Or am I reading it incorrectly?

Thanks for the responses.

Starting with 5 ammo is doable, it just adjusts how you use your QR and Reload in your opener and adjusting accordingly. I have gotten too used to a 2 ammo opener and using Reload after Lead that it just feels smoother to me (and IMO lines up better).

As far as the sitting on reload goes, what stage are you talking about? The second Wildfire?