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    was messing around, turns out i prefer higher skill speed than lower. at like 500 skillspeed, if you reapply your hotshot/dots properly, your timings for 60s and 90s/180s cds are gonna be 1 gcd behind

    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RPIQ

    might be another option for endgame set. it just depends what you value more

    69 det (eso helm, eso chest, eso belt). total skillspeed: 557. total crit: 818. total det: 528
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    17 crit 50 skillspeed (gordian helm, grodian chest, gordian belt). total skillspeed: 607. total crit: 835. total det: 459
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiurily View Post
    was messing around, turns out i prefer higher skill speed than lower. at like 500 skillspeed, if you reapply your hotshot/dots properly, your timings for 60s and 90s/180s cds are gonna be 1 gcd behind
    Nice set.

    I thought I would share what I've been working on here, since you bring up SPD for MCN. Since stat weights constantly change, I've been seeing if I could make a visual guide based on stat values, that anyone could quickly reference to for optimal performance. I know it would never work as well as a simulator, due to accounting for oGCD clipping etc but I think understanding how the stats scale holds some merit.



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    So then all you need to do is figure out what % of your damage is effected by each stat and figure out the best stat increase for each one.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 10-04-2015 at 05:35 AM.

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    Pretty sure that's already been said. Thanks for the nice pictures tho. In any case no mate hope much SKS you stack, an equivalent amount of DET is better. You would need a piece that had an equal amount of crit or acc with a retarded amount of SKS vs it's opposite piece which would have lower DET which just isn't going to happen. The only relevant reason to use SKS on a piece on MCH is if you don't need the ACC and you can fit a piece like the Eso head or Gordian body into your set and make the stat weights worth it. Again, I'm pretty sure someone's said that. I'm just reiterating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haxetc View Post
    Pretty sure that's already been said. Thanks for the nice pictures tho. In any case no mate hope much SKS you stack, an equivalent amount of DET is better. You would need a piece that had an equal amount of crit or acc with a retarded amount of SKS vs it's opposite piece which would have lower DET which just isn't going to happen. The only relevant reason to use SKS on a piece on MCH is if you don't need the ACC and you can fit a piece like the Eso head or Gordian body into your set and make the stat weights worth it. Again, I'm pretty sure someone's said that. I'm just reiterating.
    The reason I wanted to show the gains in a visual form is due to the fact that SPD and CRT have exponential gains were as DET only has linear gains. At a certain point value, both SPD and CRT overcome the gains of DET. Not for all classes due to the ratio of AA + oGCD to WS damage, but the potential is there for a lot of classes.

    Edited: After examining various logs, it seems a more practical Ratio for MCN is 70GCD:30nonGCD

    Leaving this value:
    DET is 20% better @ +100 SPD and 9.5% better @ 1000 SPD


    Quote Originally Posted by Butcherboy View Post
    Ok with Reassemble(90s), do u only use that for Clean Shot?
    Typically used with a Clean Shot with Ammo during Wildfire(90s).

    GB 30% -> Clean with Ammo 286 Potency + Crit.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 10-06-2015 at 02:56 AM.

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    so with with and ammo with clean shot ok, but are u also saying use it on either split and slug? how about during non wildfire phases? im sry for all the question i just hit 36 and im i want to learn MCH. and im having so much fun but as with my monk been playing since 2.0 i want to perfect this job MCH.
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