Lock and Load: The Reassembled Machinist Guide

[Iagainsti]

mch is amazing in pvp. Rapid fire allows you to start up your procs so you can be mobile while attacking someone, you have lots of CC, and foot graze+between the eyes works out to be a ~700 potency instant damage ogcd before buffs.

My feeling is mch is maybe the best class for blowing a solo target up, and one of the best for overall damage output.

^^ Exactly, looking at the skill templates, I figure RF opener to set up your procs, drop into GB for SS>GR>CS then FG+BtE, drop GB follow up with Wildfire and chase to kill. Spend your off time applying feint+Lead shot until youre open to burst another target dowm

[Iagainsti]

I think you'd be much happier as a BRD if you want PvP burst damage, our only 'burst' is Wildfire which requires you to train a target for 15 seconds straight to get full utility - that's never gonna happen in PvP.

BRD have Barrage + Empyreal Arrow for a no setup, 660 potency nuke.

FFS...... Thanks but no thanks.

any actual MCH opinions on PvP rotations/stats?

[VitalSuit]

I think you'd be much happier as a BRD if you want PvP burst damage, our only 'burst' is Wildfire which requires you to train a target for 15 seconds straight to get full utility - that's never gonna happen in PvP.

BRD have Barrage + Empyreal Arrow for a no setup, 660 potency nuke.

I disagree, ricochet + foot graze + between the eyes can absolutely nuke someone if they're not anticipating it. 300 pot + 180 pot (x3 so 540), 300+540=840

[RiceisNice]

I think you'd be much happier as a BRD if you want PvP burst damage, our only 'burst' is Wildfire which requires you to train a target for 15 seconds straight to get full utility - that's never gonna happen in PvP.

BRD have Barrage + Empyreal Arrow for a no setup, 660 potency nuke.

Opinions on PvP? I have been leveling my MCH on the basis (looking at actions/pvp actions) that MCH Burst would be OP, I'll post my theorycraft rotations if you like, but if anyone playing a lvl 60 MCH extensively has done a lot of PvP, I'd rather see your opinions and accounts. Also, again theorycraft, but I believe in regards to PvP, stats would be Skillsp 540>Det>Crit? Thoughts?

MCH's burst is more on-the-go than BRD and more reliable since it doesn't require them to be standing still (keeping in mind the ranged damage penalty). Traited BtE in perfect circumstances is a 540 potency hit and it's comparable to a barraged empryeal (which has a cast time attached to it), on top of Gauss Round, Ricochet, Reassemvled Cleanshot + with ammo, slug shot and clean shot again. Bard needs to apply both DoTs and get enough time to stand still to sweet spot their barraged empyreal then hit with sidewinder.

It's not always so simple when it comes to potencies since ranged damage is penalized depending on distance, and the BRD counterpart to Between the Eyes ignores this penalty.

It's one thing to wombo combo someone who isn't paying attention to you in perfect conditions, especially in Seize which is basically a zerg. Makes a nice video, but gimmicky, I think you can raise the bar a bit higher.

They already reduced the damage penalty for being further than 15 yalms, and farshot is only 200 potency. And the conditions really isn't as situational as you'd think, the span of Foot graze+BtE is near instantaneous unless they purify it. That being said though, wildfire can be cleansed by esuna or similair abilties. It takes way too long to trigger and if they haven't died from your initial burst, then honestly they arent gonna be dying to your wildfire either even if it does go off.

PvP itself is a completely different beast; there's no set rotations for anything and it boils down to playing with what comes at you.

[Myon88]

It's not always so simple when it comes to potencies since ranged damage is penalized depending on distance, and the BRD counterpart to Between the Eyes ignores this penalty.

It's one thing to wombo combo someone who isn't paying attention to you in perfect conditions, especially in Seize which is basically a zerg. Makes a nice video, but gimmicky, I think you can raise the bar a bit higher.

That's all you're going to get from me, I'm not going to clutter up the second edition of this PvE focused guide with PvP debate.

[Butcherboy]

Thank you very much for starting an updated guide. I'm super excited now for me to work on mch. Btw will it 've possible for you to add a video of that opener, like a sustain video. I'd like to see the burst capabilities and sustain dmg for it. Again thank you

[Griffeth]

Thank you very much for starting an updated guide. I'm super excited now for me to work on mch. Btw will it 've possible for you to add a video of that opener, like a sustain video. I'd like to see the burst capabilities and sustain dmg for it. Again thank you

I do not currently have any videos (I need a better CPU to be able to record at high quality without framerate loss) but our rotation guru Aiurily has some on their youtube page. The 3.07 2 ammo opener can be seen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFm5WWJQEso

If Aiurily wants/gives permission I can add the videos to the rotation section until I can afford a new CPU.

[Butcherboy]

so what's everyone highest dmg on WF? Also what's the basic rotation on adds if there's like 1 or 2?

[ShinSenpai]

so what's everyone highest dmg on WF? Also what's the basic rotation on adds if there's like 1 or 2?

Depends on the fight and who you got on your team. My static is PLD/DRK/WHM/SCH/DRG/MCH/SMN/BLM. My WF damage can hit from 7,500 minimum to almost 10k depending on RNG on most fights if I have all of my buffs up. 6500-9000 without raging strikes/hypercharge on the second WF.

Then you got A2S where with 5 vulnerability debuff on a walker, 11k Wildfire is the minimum.

DRG's Disembowel helps your damage all the way while NIN's Trick Attack helps everyone for 10s.

[zandervont]

so what's everyone highest dmg on WF? Also what's the basic rotation on adds if there's like 1 or 2?

been getting a max of 9600 ish in a3s opener w/o drg, w/ nin in party.