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    Myon88's Avatar
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    Myon Miya
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    Tonberry
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    Viper Lv 100
    I don't personally, he spends so long in giant form that if you hold your CDs every time that happens, you're almost certainly going to lose a use or two of them over the course of the fight and come out behind.

    I just Wildfire and use cooldowns as normal and cherish the moments where they sync up with his small form.
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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    Jenova
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    Machinist Lv 80
    I did notice I was doing more damage (or rather the damage I should've been doing) when he was smaller.
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    Ossom Possom
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    Adamantoise
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    Armorer Lv 53
    Decide that since my Mch is just one of my alt classes, I would experiment with a build for it. (Full on Skill Speed), right now I have around 1K Skill Speed and a 2.25 GCD, and I gotta say, TP is just not an issue for this class unless your spamming AoEs. I don't have any TP issues with it in Seph at all. (Haven't gotten to try it in A5s or A6s because I main Monk).

    Unfortunately I can't play around with numbers because of playing on the PS4 or I would have some numbers for you guys. Anyways, I'm favoring SS over Det on my Mch, it feels nicer to play.
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    Zanzhiz Exaverion
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    Decide that since my Mch is just one of my alt classes, I would experiment with a build for it. (Full on Skill Speed), right now I have around 1K Skill Speed and a 2.25 GCD, and I gotta say, TP is just not an issue for this class unless your spamming AoEs. I don't have any TP issues with it in Seph at all. (Haven't gotten to try it in A5s or A6s because I main Monk).

    Unfortunately I can't play around with numbers because of playing on the PS4 or I would have some numbers for you guys. Anyways, I'm favoring SS over Det on my Mch, it feels nicer to play.
    Is there a skillspeed attainable currently that allows for a third Clean Shot in the opener? though I doubt it's better than Crit/Det.. With a GCD like that I feel it's possible.
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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion View Post
    Is there a skillspeed attainable currently that allows for a third Clean Shot in the opener? though I doubt it's better than Crit/Det.. With a GCD like that I feel it's possible.
    Not to mention skill speed does not affect your turret either.
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    Ossom Possom
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    Adamantoise
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    Armorer Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Not to mention skill speed does not affect your turret either.
    It doesn't effect attack speed of the turret? I thought SE fixed that so pets were affected by SS? That does hurt the build a bit, but your turret only does like 15% of your dmg compared to like MNK or DRG where your AA is closer to 20-35% (DRG closer to 20-25 and MNK closer to 30-35)
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Famfrit
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    It doesn't effect attack speed of the turret? I thought SE fixed that so pets were affected by SS? That does hurt the build a bit, but your turret only does like 15% of your dmg compared to like MNK or DRG where your AA is closer to 20-35% (DRG closer to 20-25 and MNK closer to 30-35)
    Summoners, sure. Nothing about turrets though from what I've seen. Skill speed is not in affect for a period of time because of rapid fire, and you only have one DoT. On top of that, SS only realy speeds up your weaponskill usage, and MCH's sustained doesn't leave much to build around. It's something that has less of an effect on wildfire (because of rapid fire) versus crit and det that has an effect across board, including wildfire and reassemble.
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    Kara Zorel
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 60
    I'm not sure if it's been better or not but I've been trying altering my opener in a5s. The goal is to essentially get lead shot fully buffed and out before he transforms at the start.

    So with at least two ammo;

    Between 10-6s remaining: rapid fire
    6-0: HE-BfB-RS-Pot
    Hot shot - hyper - lead shot

    Repeat as normal


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    Ossom Possom
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    Adamantoise
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    Armorer Lv 53
    Not exactly sure what you are talking about, the majority of MCH's dmg is effected by Skill Speed. The same way BLM's are, every single skill BLM casts is on the GCD, so SS heavily effects that class for instance. Now look at MCH.

    Rough approximations based on on this :
    • Split Shot ~ 18%
    • Slug Shot ~16%
    • Clean Shot ~12%
    • Lead Shot ~12%
    • Hot Shot ~3%
    • Wild Fire 6%

    Means almost 70% of your damage is effected by SS, which is pretty comparable to BRDs. They a 1% Higher or so.

    Also I would like to note, 20% of the Brds DMG that is effected by SS is DoT Dmg, where as for MCH its only 12%. From my understanding, SS is a pretty lousy stat for Dots, (100 SS = 1% Dmg increase, and also one of reason SMNs didn't really go for SS until the Ruin III changes). In that case, wouldn't SS be even more valuable on MCH than it is on BRD?

    One last thing, the MCH turret does less DMG as a % for a MCH than Bloodletter does for a BRD. Both, unaffected by Skillspeed.
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    Last edited by Ossom; 03-16-2016 at 12:59 AM.

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    Flo Fyloord
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    Famfrit
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    Not exactly sure what you are talking about, the majority of MCH's dmg is effected by Skill Speed. The same way BLM's are, every single skill BLM casts is on the GCD, so SS heavily effects that class for instance. Now look at MCH.
    Wildfire is less affected by skill speed because it often goes hand-in-hand with rapid fire. Not to mention that fight has the MCH getting seven balance cards, it's going to skew the dps contribution from their abilities. Specifically, their turret that doesn't benefit from balance being given to the MCH, while BRD's bloodletter does. Otherwise the turret would make up for more of the MCH's average DPS (and DoTs to a lesser extent, since it ticks for a longer time compared to BRD ones)
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