Lock and Load: The Reassembled Machinist Guide

[Myon88]

Regarding Hypercharge, my hunch tells me that if we leave it where it currently is in our opener, we'd only go from 5 shots to 6 turret shots with the new 20s duration.

Where it is now, the timing is such that we get the last shot at the very end of the Hypercharge buff. It's so close that you can even lose that 5th shot right now, if you go through the prepull sequence and then your tank doesn't pull on time.

Given the ~3 second turret firing interval, and 5 extra seconds of duration, that means we'll get a 6th shot around the 18th second, and the remaining 2 seconds will be wasted because the buff drops on the 20th second and the next turret shot after that is only due on the 21st second.

I'm guessing that to ensure we get 7 buffed turret shots under the effect of Hypercharge, we'll have to move it slightly backward in the opener, to something like Bfb, HE, RS, Hypercharge, (pull) - which is one GCD later, or possibly even after the actual pull.

[Judge_Xero]

I'm guessing that to ensure we get 7 buffed turret shots under the effect of Hypercharge, we'll have to move it slightly backward in the opener, to something like Bfb, HE, RS, Hypercharge, (pull) - which is one GCD later, or possibly even after the actual pull.

I was always partial to the

GB off, Bfb, HE, HOT, HC, RS, GBON, LS -> ETC

just to make sure others get the longest duration of HC as well.

[Ephier]

GB off, Bfb, HE, HOT, HC, RS, GBON****, LS -> ETC

Won't you clip your GCD where I marked (****)?

[Myon88]

just to make sure others get the longest duration of HC as well.

It's my understanding that whether you use Hypercharge after the pull like that (to really ensure that nothing is wasted), or you do it in the prepull period, the duration of the vulnerability debuff is the same. Since it's the turret shot itself that refreshes the debuff - if you get 5 shots within Hypercharge in both cases, the duration of the vulnerability debuff is the same.

But you're right that using it after the pull like that will absolutely guarantee you get the maximum benefit, it's insurance against slow tanks and what have you.

[Judge_Xero]

Won't you clip your GCD where I marked (****)?

GB is pretty quick so not significantly or if at all when you start with GB off.

[Ephier]

GB is pretty quick so not significantly or if at all when you start with GB off.

Kinda does, cause pot which chews into the GCD by itself. The opener you presented delays it and will not be applied to lead shot.

[Aiurily]

honestly i think 7 shot hc is maybe a stretch, but here's what i have atm with adjusting the old opener

6 shot hc opener

he>HC>bfb>rs>hots shot->dex pot->etc

you might get an extra auto in buffed by he/bfb if you take gb off after 2nd clean shot doing it like this. with higher sksp (700+ with fey wind) you can get the slug shot buffed too (though a slug shot buffed by bfb/he+rs+gb is probably stronger than 1 buffed auto+slug, esp after 3.2 gear. so maybe best to turn gb off for the split shot instead.) not really much change here if 6 shots is the max. can swap he/bfb if desired.

7 shot hc opener - tight timing, turret aa reset

he>bfb>rs->hot shot->hc->dex pot->lead shot->etc

RS loses 1 GCD here (slug shot), but if 7 shot HC is the max then this guarantees it+a nice bonus of turret aa reset via hc cancel

7 shot hc opener - lenient timing, no turret aa reset

he bfb rs hc->hot shot->dex pot->lead shot->etc

same as above, but you save a bit of time if the timing is for some reason lenient enough that you can pop it pre combat. however you lose the benefit of having the turret fire once, then resetting its auto attack with hypercharge. so basically it is 400-500 dmg turret shot vs spending 1 less buff clipping into GCD during the pull. if you use HC pre combat it will only start shooting once you initiate dmg on the boss, which is 1.5s, as opposed to initiating hypercharged volley shots immediately if you are in combat already. right now with buff order HE BFB HC RS>GB hotshot, our HC turret has 13s left on the buff, but still gets 5 shots in.

7 shot hc opener - extremely lenient timing

(nogb) he>bfb>hc>rs->hot shot->gb on+dex pot->etc

if its lenient enough that we can keep our old buff opener by skipping the 1.5s delay on hotshot before the turret starts attacking, this may be the way to go. at high skillspeeds/fey wind buffed you still get the last slugshot in wf buffed by rs. it basically trades 1.5s precast on hotshot+a bit of extra GCD clip for RS buffed slugshot in wf and 1 auto.

also with gr being 200 potency, probably more important to have it off cd faster than rico now. it was already higher pps; i just preferred rico off cd for more uniform cd alignment w

[Ephier]

7 shot hc opener - extremely lenient timing[/B]

(nogb) he>bfb>hc>rs->hot shot->gb on+dex pot->etc

if its lenient enough that we can keep our old buff opener by skipping the 1.5s delay on hotshot before the turret starts attacking, this may be the way to go. at high skillspeeds/fey wind buffed you still get the last slugshot in wf buffed by rs. it basically trades 1.5s precast on hotshot+a bit of extra GCD clip for RS buffed slugshot in wf and 1 auto.

also with gr being 200 potency, probably more important to have it off cd faster than rico now. it was already higher pps; i just preferred rico off cd for more uniform cd alignment w

With low ping and 557ss (my current, I don't know how you can go) you can get the slug shot off with RS still applying. My question to you is do you think the clip into the GCD along with the nonGB HS is worth the trade off of an extra turret auto?

[Aiurily]

yep. best to just clip imo

5s qs he bfb rs hotshot hypercharge dexpot leadshot etc

[Myon88]

Yeah assuming the timing is lenient enough, I'm hoping something like the 3rd case is possible, it wouldn't be too drastic of a change from our current opener, it's just switching RS and HC.

Activating Hypercharge when combat has already started, you'd get shots on (roughly) the 1, 4, 7, 10, 13, 16, and 19th seconds for 7 shots.
Assuming that 1 second of wriggle room is enough, then with it as the last prepull GCD we might see shots on the 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 20th seconds with the window for the last shot being very tight (similar to our current 5th shot in a 15 second Hypercharge when used 2 seconds before the pull - 3, 6, 9, 12, 15).

It's definitely going to be the first thing I try out once servers go up on Tuesday.

however you lose the benefit of having the turret fire once, then resetting its auto attack with hypercharge

On this note, I'm under the impression that you still benefit from this (just in reverse) if you use Hypercharge before the pull, as long as the end timing is right. For example, we get it with our 5th shot now, where at the 15th second we get a charged turret shot, then the Hypercharge buff drops off which resets the turret attack interval and immediately triggers a normal shot.

Basically, because both the start and end of Hypercharge reset the turret attack interval, there's an opportunity to cheat out an extra turret attack at both ends.

So when you use Hypercharge immediately after your first attack, you get a normal turret shot immediately cancelled into a charged turret shot as you mentioned. Conversely, if you time it so that Hypercharge falls off just as you get the last charged shot, then you have the same thing just in reverse - a charged turret shot cancelled into a normal turret shot.

Sadly the current durations of Hypercharge (both 15 and 20 seconds) mean that you can't do both, you either benefit from one or the other. For example, if it were 22 seconds (or any 3X + 1 second timing), then you could Hot Shot > Hypercharge and immediately get that double shot, and then get it again (in reverse) on the 22th second when your last charged shot cancels into an immediate normal turret shot.