Why can't we have dungeons with multiple paths/open areas?

[Kaiser-Ace]

Rather than multiple paths for people to choose, what about "the dungeon is different every time you enter." Like, in one run you go one way, but in another run, you go down a different path (different final bosses or something). It would certainly make dungeons interesting, especially since we're only getting two per patch now.

That could be an interesting Raid Idea. Have the RNG set it up as soon as it cues from a few preset patterns like a Mystery Dungeon or make it where certain things you do influence the paths you take.

Like pulling a certain lever in room one changes boss 3 or something. It'd have to be controllable or semi-predictable though for loot reasons.

[MXMoondoggie]

And here we are again.

Nobody really wants to waste so much time on a dungeon. They want their tokens and loot. These things are fine for single player games but when you have it in an MMO what happens is people find the optimum route for doing things then only ever do that. Same with puzzles we had them in games and as soon as people figure them out within a few days they become a minor annoyance. RNG dungeons? Why? Why do you want the Dev team to waste so much time on that?

If you don't like repetitiveness and grinding then you are playing the wrong kind of games.

[Jinrya-Geki]

I'd prefer the dungeons be randomly generated each time with different each time.

Such as Diablos dream makes the environment change each time. And the monsters randomly chosen.

Maybe this time you need to defend a npc through a dungeon. Or puzzle dungeons with no fighting at all just solve random generated puzzles.

[Kaurie]

And here we are again.

Nobody really wants to waste so much time on a dungeon. They want their tokens and loot. These things are fine for single player games but when you have it in an MMO what happens is people find the optimum route for doing things then only ever do that. Same with puzzles we had them in games and as soon as people figure them out within a few days they become a minor annoyance. RNG dungeons? Why? Why do you want the Dev team to waste so much time on that?

If you don't like repetitiveness and grinding then you are playing the wrong kind of games.

It sounds like you don't like repetitiveness and grinding tbh

[SirPhoebos]

My belief is that a location that encourages exploration doesn't work well as a dungeon, or at least not as we think of dungeons these days.

My go to example whenever this conversation appears is Black Rock Depths from Vanilla World of Warcraft. BRD was probably my favorite location in the game because it created the feeling of a living city that had all these different secrets to uncover and challenges to overcome, but as a dungeon it was horrible. The concept of BRD is something that I hope FFXIV takes a shot at, but I don't believe that doing it as a dungeon would be the best way to do it.

[Molic]

Made a thread about this awhile back D: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ngeon-Ideas%21

Threw out a few ideas i thought of.

[Firepower]

Dungeons with more pathways are never used, check all the pre 50 dungeons, almost every one of them have extra corridors and pathways, i'd bet you most people probably only stood around and opened the door in Dzemael Darkhold that one time and never went into that first room again.

That is even with the incentive of getting extra EXP and useful equipment, if people don't want to side-track for exp and equipment, what could you possibly provide in a level capped dungeon to make someone want to spend extra time going down a different path. That is why if you follow through the dungeons you will notice progressively how the level 50 dungeons are tuned, the earlier ones have chests out of the way WP, AK, Pharos Sirius. The later ones the chests are on the main route and side routes are minimal simply because it was a waste of time since nobody ever went there.

On the point of open spaces, I am not sure how that is beneficial, unless it is used like some kind of gauntlet (AK Hard demon wall) or elevator style battle (T4) then it is just an open space with nothing in it, the biggest offender of this is Brayflox where there is that large open water area with roaming pugils and Aurum Vale in the first room the majority of people just strafe along the walls picking off the aggro until they get to the boss avoiding over 75% of that entire open space.

Randomised dungeons end up being either extremely simplistic or overly complex with glitches. Due to the design of randomised dungeons you need pieces that "fit" together to create a seamless environment or it would just look stupid, I would point towards Nyzul Isle in FFXI as a randomised dungeon creator, they all looked the same, just with walls in different places and no map it was a truly frustrating affair when you are at the mercy of the enemies spawned, the design of the place and finally any debuffs they would apply. A randomised dungeon in FFXIV would be ugly compared to the dungeons they currently produce and would likely frustrate players due to adding a RNG element into if they are likely to be able to complete that dungeon in a timely manner or even at all if the potential randomised combinations make progress impossible.

[KleeneOnigiri]

You could make a dungeon with different paths that are for different strategies.

Path one for singe target DPS: when most of your party is manly for single target dps. A few mobs would be here but have a lot of HP.
Path two for aoe DPS: when your party can dish out a lot of aoe. Huge amount of mobs but with less HP.

And maybe - Path for leveling: More mobs than the other paths, a bit easier maybe but give more exp?

[Ramien]

I'd prefer the dungeons be randomly generated each time with different each time.

Such as Diablos dream makes the environment change each time. And the monsters randomly chosen.

Maybe this time you need to defend a npc through a dungeon. Or puzzle dungeons with no fighting at all just solve random generated puzzles.

Do you really want to subject your dungeon experience to the tender mercies of the RNG?

[Kaiser-Ace]

You could make a dungeon with different paths that are for different strategies.

Path one for singe target DPS: when most of your party is manly for single target dps. A few mobs would be here but have a lot of HP.
Path two for aoe DPS: when your party can dish out a lot of aoe. Huge amount of mobs but with less HP.

And maybe - Path for leveling: More mobs than the other paths, a bit easier maybe but give more exp?

And a 4th "Suicide" path with nothing but high level sub bosses but some high end loot or rare glamours? That be cool.