BRD/MCH Discussion Questions

[FrostyTV]

Hey everyone,

I run a small podcast and I'll be featuring a couple of really awesome BRD/MCHs on the show to discuss the jobs. I'm looking for whatever input I can to make the show as interesting as possible - so I'd like to know what are points you would like to see discussed between top level bards and machinists? Thank you for any and all input!

[RiceisNice]

-Differentiation between MCH and BRD gameplay, the implementation of GB/WM on both classes (since they are fictionally the same ability).
-The effects of WM on BRD's 2.0 skills, traits and animations (especially the waist-down clipping on windbite and empyreal when you use another oGCD right after)
-The Implementation of MCH and their ammo mechanic.
-Scrapping of "different attachments" and "ammo usage" mechanics for MCH.

These are personally my biggest points of discussion as a former full-time BRD and current MCH main.

[Velhart]

I can't imagine but so much to talk about. RiceisNice pretty much summed up most of the discussions BRD and MCH have. WM/GB really is the biggest debate and what is splitting the support DPS community. That alone is pretty much a long discussion in itself, because there are good points to be had and bad in their implementation.

[Leukka]

-Which fights in the game favor one job over the other and why?
-how is itemization treating both jobs this raid tier? Does one job have an easier time shedding skill speed over the other while maintaining the accuracy cap? Is it even an issue?
-are there any fixes or quality of life changes you'd like to see?


Personally I'd just gloss over wanderers minuet and gauss barrel because all discussion leads to butthurt over something that is here to stay. At most I'd just cover anecdotal situations where it is okay to drop either temporarily.

Looking forward to the show!

[Kittararae]

Why doesn't MCH have a self healing skill?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Kittararae, I love you in the most not-weird way possible for that.

[Argentt]

In case anyone was still interested, Frosty's BRD/MCH show aired on monday and you can watch it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3xXemllzM


Great discussion from top tier players on all the issues and intricacies of the classes.

[RiceisNice]

Skimmed through it. Between MCH and BRD having WM/GB, I still feel like that WM just causes more problems for BRD in the long run compared to adding anything meaningful in relation to MCH, after listening to how MCH can bank their QR cooldowns and hold procs to still remain motile, while BRD is more stationary.

Their competition of roles could be comparable to that of a BLM/SMN (or even melee if you to make that jump). Their purpose is to dps, but how they come across that is different, in both their sustained dps (DoTs and aetherflow timing vs enochian and astral/umbral cycling) and burst through cooldowns (Derpwyrm vs ley lines sharpcast usage).

In regards to BRD/MCH, I honestly feel that the differentiation only really comes from their burst (Beethoven simulator for wildfire VS stacking cooldowns for empyreal barrage), but beyond that, their down-to-earth sustained dps becomes incredibly similar with each other, movement from instant casts aside (which only really matters for some of the end game encounters, and negligible in everything else). The turrets really don't really mean much as far as gameplay is concerned (you have very little interaction with it) as they're mostly place-and-forget (especially when center placements are enough to cover the entire boss platform for the regens).

They could have very well kept MCH as the motile class with BRD being more stationary (assuming they fix the procs and oGCD clippings), but realistically speaking , the mobility itself doesn't account for a whole lot if it becomes something like a toggle stance (the class should innately restricted in mobility, like BLM), because giving that sort of stance (to both jobs no less) really kills the differentiation and homogenize the two even more when one aspect (where you're forced to move to deal with mechanic) isn't present. They had mentioned that previous encounters encouraged BRDs to deal with mechanics, but they're the ones that a SMN can do just as effectively (t7 renauds) or the entirety of the time the BRD themselves is incredibly gimped in dps (T12 bluefires). Tl;DR : Mobility should not be the thing that sets the difference between two jobs, let alone MCH and BRD who are innately motile and gain a stance that somewhat strips of them of it.

[Velhart]

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Some minor tweaks would be nice to balance BRD and MCH better, but I think in terms of preference in who you want in your progression group, both do just fine. It really depends on party composition at the end of the day.

[DarkmoonVael]

Hey everyone,

I run a small podcast and I'll be featuring a couple of really awesome BRD/MCHs on the show to discuss the jobs. I'm looking for whatever input I can to make the show as interesting as possible - so I'd like to know what are points you would like to see discussed between top level bards and machinists? Thank you for any and all input!

Watched the show, enjoyed it, subscribed and looking forward to future ones .