How long before long vertical gear progression stops?

[Evogolist]

Just small discussion to see how the player base feels about the insane current state of gear progression.

At what point should SE stop the vertical gear progression? Should gear feel more rewarding as oppose to being replaced by the next ilvl set of gear come a patch or two later? And last but not least, Should they implement horizontal gear progression? If so, how can they avoid the player base abusing such?

[Leknaat]

Just small discussion to see how the player base feels about the insane current state of gear progression.

At what point should SE stop the vertical gear progression? Should gear feel more rewarding as oppose to being replaced by the next ilvl set of gear come a patch or two later? And last but not least, Should they implement horizontal gear progression? If so, how can they avoid the player base abusing such?

Odds are they never will stop. They want you to keep subbing by forcing you to keep grinding because... yeah... people will always want shinier gear to progress with XD

I decided screw it, not doing alexander savage content.
I havn't capped esos in 6 weeks, I havn't done alexander normal in 2 weeks. I'm not sure I'm missing the grind. Cause realistically you only need top tier gear to clear top tier content. If you're fine with being a lowly casual, there's no need to do the mad scramble and I think I'm happier for it. All I'm doing is capping red crafting and gathering scrips.

[Welsper59]

Odds are they never will stop. They want you to keep subbing by forcing you to keep grinding because... yeah... people will always want shinier gear to progress with XD

I decided screw it, not doing alexander savage content.
I havn't capped esos in 6 weeks, I havn't done alexander normal in 2 weeks. I'm not sure I'm missing the grind. Cause realistically you only need top tier gear to clear top tier content. If you're fine with being a lowly casual, there's no need to do the mad scramble and I think I'm happier for it. All I'm doing is capping red crafting and gathering scrips.

Yup, that's pretty much how a theme park MMORPG like this works. A lot of folks come here expecting nothing but a focus on top tier endgame content that involves boss fights and all this combat stuff for every single patch update... then they're met with focuses on story, housing, crafting/gathering, Gold Saucer, etc. To be blunt about that, they're completely in wrong to accuse the game of being bad/boring for doing that. This game has never been advertised for the most hardcore of players and has always been advertised as something for everyone... that was the emphasis. Even if you think one should be totally prioritized every patch, alongside other content, you'd still be in the wrong. Of course, that's not to say there's an amount of content that should be available for one over another and ignored within reason, like how we currently are stuck in a rut is an example of not providing enough relevancy of one (combat), but rather that it's how things are with the devs aim. In time, this will likely change though, and we'll get to having too much to potentially do as a whole again, as it was towards the end of ARR. Ideally, when the Ark and FC airship traveling is released, there'll be a more fitting degree of a combat grind alongside the other meaningful non-combat content. That's sort of what happened when CT was introduced, afterall. It really did begin to change the lack of content feel... but who knows, given the fact it'd be a repeated form of content.

[LathusWHM]

I liked ffxi gear progression, gear that lasted oh IDK 10 years

[zcrash970]

Odds are they never will stop. They want you to keep subbing by forcing you to keep grinding because... yeah... people will always want shinier gear to progress with XD

I decided screw it, not doing alexander savage content.
I havn't capped esos in 6 weeks, I havn't done alexander normal in 2 weeks. I'm not sure I'm missing the grind. Cause realistically you only need top tier gear to clear top tier content. If you're fine with being a lowly casual, there's no need to do the mad scramble and I think I'm happier for it. All I'm doing is capping red crafting and gathering scrips.

Yep because horizontal progression never revolves around grinding....or mmorpgs in general
/sarcasm

[Ibi]

I liked ffxi gear progression, gear that lasted oh IDK 10 years

Because you were lucky to get one item every other month.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Yup, that's pretty much how a theme park MMORPG like this works. A lot of folks come here expecting nothing but a focus on top tier endgame content that involves boss fights and all this combat stuff for every single patch update... then they're met with focuses on story, housing, crafting/gathering, Gold Saucer, etc. To be blunt about that, they're completely in wrong to accuse the game of being bad/boring for doing that. This game has never been advertised for the most hardcore of players and has always been advertised as something for everyone... that was the emphasis.

So wait... when Yoshi said end game is where THE game is at... he actually meant.. glamours, gold saucer, minions, housing, ponies? I thought he was selling us epic battles and adventures. All I see is people afking in Idyllshire. Also if this is really an ultra casual game...then why does gathering/crafting doesn't feel that way on its current state? Don't people who play casually only have some time to spare, whereas this requires a lot of time investment plus a lot of headaches with RNG? I mean from all the complaints from people it didn't seem like it's been easygoing and laid back. If this game is ultra casual... why do we have content like Alex Normal and Primals where people still fail at mechanics, let's not go so far, even in easy mode dungeons, people don't know how to play their job? I mean if that content is still too hard for players, then why release it as casual content? Are we sure this content is casual enough? Are we sure that's the people they are aiming at, at all? I think they give us 2 different messages and they should make up their minds already.

[Joeking]

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End Game is ERP. That is why Yoshi's character is a Lalafell The lewdest race.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

End Game is ERP. That is why Yoshi's character is a Lalafell The lewdest race.

The more you know. Well crap I've been playing the wrong game all this time! Who ERPs in this game anyways, there's lots more games specifically for that! ;p

[Nekodar]

If you're going to suggest horizontal progression, show that you understand the flaws that it will bring and how you suggest it should be handled.
And of course, how to make it not a grind without it being handouts.