Crafting is fun!

[Silverbane]

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the current situation. A crafter that can only craft two to three items a week doesn't sound like much of a crafter to me.

That's not an accurate assessment of the situation. You can craft more than that, you just have to buy some of mats from other people.

A person with one L60 gatherer and one L60 crafter could earn red scrip from each, gather from favor nodes, buy purified coke/dryad sap/whatever, and sell it to other crafters for a nice income I think. Purified coke has sold for 500K gil apiece on Faerie.

[Lyrinn]

That's not an accurate assessment of the situation. You can craft more than that, you just have to buy some of mats from other people.

How many players can afford to buy favor mats continually at their current prices when the final products themselves don't sell? You're delusional if you think the average player can "just buy mats from other people." I craft 2-3 items per week and that's it. I spend 3 hours gathering just to craft for 20 minutes. If you find that enjoyable, then that's great for you. I and many others don't.

[Silverbane]

How many players can afford to buy favor mats continually at their current prices when the final products themselves don't sell? You're delusional if you think the average player can "just buy mats from other people."

I didn't say anything such thing. Someone said "a crafter can only craft two or three items a week." That's incorrect, and you know it.

I craft 2-3 items per week and that's it. I spend 3 hours gathering just to craft for 20 minutes. If you find that enjoyable, then that's great for you. I and many others don't.

Then why are you doing it?

If you expected crafting to be a license to print gil, and are unhappy because it did not turn out that way, I have no sympathy for you. The easy mega-gil are gone, at least until 3.1, and good riddance.

It's a game, not a job, you should play it because it's fun. So craft because you enjoy crafting, or don't bother.

[Lyrinn]

I didn't say anything such thing. Someone said "a crafter can only craft two or three items a week." That's incorrect, and you know it.

That's exactly what you said. Just because something is technically possible doesn't mean it's feasible, and buying mats every single week at current prices isn't feasible.

Then why are you doing it?

If you expected crafting to be a license to print gil, and are unhappy because it did not turn out that way, I have no sympathy for you. The easy mega-gil are gone, at least until 3.1, and good riddance.

It's a game, not a job, you should play it because it's fun. So craft because you enjoy crafting, or don't bother.

You have reading comprehension issues, given that you don't understand half of the complaints in this thread. We want to craft without spending hours of mind-numbing gathering to do so. The reason why gil plays such an important factor to that is because if you're buying mats, you need a way to recover the expenditures. Ask anyone on Ultros who has tried competing with me on the MB and they'll tell you I'm a MB fiend. I couldn't care less about profit margins, as long as I can keep buying and selling to craft. And don't even bother responding with something stupid like, "just craft white stuff." A monkey could press a macro button and craft those.

[Silverbane]

We want to craft without spending hours of mind-numbing gathering to do so.

And some people want to clear Alexander Savage without having to raid for several hours every week for two+ months. But top-level endgame content is not and should not be for those not willing to put in an extraordinary level of effort.

buying mats every single week at current prices isn't feasible.

Your statements about what is feasible seems incongruent with the facts. Some crafters have hundreds of millions of gil. At least one is capped at 999,999,999 gil. For you to allege that it "isn't feasable" for them to buy Favor mats every week is not credible.

Just yesterday I saw someone soliciting gatherers in the chat in Idylshire, offering to contract with them for supplies of Favor mats. So that proves it's feasible. Maybe not for you, but that's not my concern.

[Lyrinn]

And some people want to clear Alexander Savage without having to raid for several hours every week for two+ months. But top-level endgame content is not and should not be for those not willing to put in an extraordinary level of effort.

I craft to craft, not gather. Likewise, I don't raid to do something other than raid. Imagine how happy people would be if you had to grind out MGP for raid gear or something equally irrelevant.

Your statements about what is feasible seems incongruent with the facts. Some crafters have hundreds of millions of gil. At least one is capped at 999,999,999 gil. For you to allege that it "isn't feasable" for them to buy Favor mats every week is not credible.

Just yesterday I saw someone soliciting gatherers in the chat in Idylshire, offering to contract with them for supplies of Favor mats. So that proves it's feasible. Maybe not for you, but that's not my concern.

Go back and read (assuming that's possible for you) my post. I said average player. Of course the 1% can do whatever they want. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the current system. Bill Gates can live comfortably regardless of the state of the economy; I guess that means it's perfectly ok and there's nothing wrong if the global economy turns for worse, right?

Personally, I've dumped over 200 million into these stupid things and honestly don't care to spend more, simply because it's not sustainable. Others I know who have 250+ million and buy mats are only doing so up to a certain point. Again, you're delusional if you think there's nothing wrong here.

[Ayerinn]

I craft to craft, not gather. Likewise, I don't raid to do something other than raid. Imagine how happy people would be if you had to grind out MGP for raid gear or something equally irrelevant.

Yet you don't have to...raiders can make their own potions or buy them. Crafters can gather their own materials or buy them. I like that crafters have to make a choice between spending a significant amount of gil and sit on their butt pushing macros OR gathering the items themselves and then sit on their butt pushing macros.

It should NEVER be...buy cheap mats and sit on their butt pushing macros (at least to make the top stuff, anyways.) Let's face it, crafting is one of the laziest things you can do in a game - I'm glad SE is moving towards crafters having to make a choice between profit and laziness.