Lightning/Snow Event

[zosia]

I don't care for "It's exclusive!! Get over it!" arguments, they're dull and come from usually come from a either a "I've got myspecial thing, so why should I care if you can't have it?" perspective or a "I don't care about it, so why are you?" perspective. The point is, if SE somehow managed to give everyone who didn't have the current exclusive gear something entirely new (Maybe to garner some loyalty to new players who are upset about missive out on past event!), would everyone be so keen on the "Exclusive is exclusive, get over it" arguments?

Basically nothing is different about them lol, and honestly I don't see why the preorder items aren't at least on the mogstation, and that's speaking as someone who could've gotten the Baron's stuff on three different accounts if I had more than one account to give it to (Long and awkward story lol). The event's occurred twice now into the games lifespan, if not introducing the event over again, there should be some way for new players to get it as well. For preorder items, why not introduce a craftable version that takes a crap ton of rare items that'd be a pain in the butt to all gather up and have like a "Forged" bit added to the name to still give a genuine "I preordered it!" feel to the original versions. For the Lightning event items, why not slap them onto the mogstation and just push them on some in game vendor during one of the year's various events?

Which I have explained is not my position. I rather SE do something new with the lightning theme items than rehashing the same old stuff. How about new lightning themed gear that builds off of the old sets? I much rather SE spend time and effort on implementing stuff all players, new and old, can enjoy.

Just rehashing the event every year is boring. Also, there is no reason to promote ff13 anymore. Putting the items in the cash shop undermines the grinding people did for the items, it's essentially pay to win. It sucked waiting around for fates to pop, and there were more than your average holiday event grind. It's not like there is an "on/off" switch at someone's desk to put these events back in the game.

It's better to have the dev team put effort into new events and new rewards than having to pander to every new player that missed out on a promo that has served it's purpose. Sheesh, the entitlement with people on these forums.

[Colorful]

it's essentially pay to win.

A-... Are you serious? I cannot take you seriously when you say things like that.

Also, do you honestly believe that reimplementing an event or throwing the event items on the cash shop takes even a fraction of the time it would take to implement new gear with an event to go along with it? No, it wouldn't. There will be a reason to promote FF13 whenever the 3rd parts for PC rolls around, but regardless of that, putting it up on the cash shop would practically be "free money" for them.

[zosia]

A-... Are you serious? I cannot take you seriously when you say things like that.Also, do you honestly believe that reimplementing an event or throwing the event items on the cash shop takes even a fraction of the time it would take to implement new gear with an event to go along with it? No, it wouldn't. There will be a reason to promote FF13 whenever the 3rd parts for PC rolls around, but regardless of that, putting it up on the cash shop would practically be "free money" for them.

It's pedantic, but you know it's true. It took about 2-hrs to complete everything and grind out the tokens for all the weapons. Putting the items in the cash shop is buying the rewards for two hours of work.

Yes, I think it takes a bit more effort than people are estimating because they would probably have to test the old event to make sure it was compatible with the latest version of the game. Yes, new gear would take more effort, but it would also appeal to the entire population, not just players who missed the 1st set. So, there is a difference there.

There is still no reason to redo the event right now. When the PC release comes out, they will probably redo the event. That's the reason we probably haven't seen the rewards in the cash shop to begin with. People are just too damn impatient to wait and see.

[Colorful]

It's pedantic, but you know it's true. It took about 2-hrs to complete everything and grind out the tokens for all the weapons. Putting the items in the cash shop is buying the rewards for two hours of work.

Yes, I think it takes a bit more effort than people are estimating because they would probably have to test the old event to make sure it was compatible with the latest version of the game. Yes, new gear would take more effort, but it would also appeal to the entire population, not just players who missed the 1st set. So, there is a difference there.

When the PC release comes out, they will probably redo the event. That's the reason we probably haven't seen the rewards in the cash shop. People are just too damn impatient to wait and see.

No, I do not believe it to be true. It really bothers me when people mark anything as pay to win, do you not understand what that term means? I think you do. Pay for convenience is a very different thing than pay to win, now, these borders can overlap, but that would apply to buying items to increase the drop rate for Savage gear, not whatever this case. It took me time to level a cooking class to level 5 and craft 200+ fish for myself and a few friends, not two hours, but time. These items will be available in the cash shop next year, where is the difference there?

Testing would take what, an hour or two? Manually trigger the events and make sure it works, putting them into the Mogstation would be effortless. There is a difference there, but that does not null the argument. People would rather have new crafting gear sets rather than old recycled dungeon sets, but they went with recycled sets to save time. It's not "this or that", it's "this or nothing".

[zosia]

No, I do not believe it to be true. It really bothers me when people mark anything as pay to win, do you not understand what that term means? I think you do. Pay for convenience is a very different thing than pay to win, now, these borders can overlap, but that would apply to buying items to increase the drop rate for Savage gear, not whatever this case. It took me time to level a cooking class to level 5 and craft 200+ fish for myself and a few friends, not two hours, but time. These items will be available in the cash shop next year, where is the difference there?Testing would take what, an hour or two? Manually trigger the events and make sure it works, putting them into the Mogstation would be effortless. There is a difference there, but that does not null the argument. People would rather have new crafting gear sets rather than old recycled dungeon sets, but they went with recycled sets to save time. It's not "this or that", it's "this or nothing".

Well, first you would have to define what convenience is generally. What is convenience to some is not to others. If someone's end game is RP and glamours, then we are not talking convenience. ARe little back and forth over P2W is just semantics until we outline what some of these words actually mean.

You are assuming how long it would take to test this, and if they encountered any bugs (and they probably would with the latest version) it might take an entire day or more. I don't honestly know since I don't work for them.

I don't even use the sets in any of my glamour, they just sit in my storage collecting dust. I have no special snowflake attachment to these events or items. It's just ridiculous that people demand a dev team to look back for a handful of players when the entire mentality of these forums is much more collectivist in nature. Any dev time should go to pleasing the masses and not the minority right?

That one day spent rehashing an old event content for the small portion that really "need" these items could be spent on developing something else that ALL players could benefit from, like a hair style.

[Colorful]

snip

convenience
kənˈviːnɪəns/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being able to proceed with something without difficulty.

I'm starting to believe you're purposely talking your way around things, but there you go, straight from Google. Is purchasing something for a few dollars, hassle free, not considered convenient? Yes it is, there's no talking around facts. Tell me, why would they encounter bugs, you seem to assume the probability is high when this isn't the case unless they've poorly programmed something with a band-fix that may not work at a later date. Have they put FATEs that may overlap the event ones? I'm not sure, but probably not, and if so, they could be disabled during the event FATE. Is old content like dungeons broken after each major patch they perform? Perhaps, if the people working at SE are incompetent, but they aren't. The likelihood of that is lower than 20% I'd bet.

How much copies has FFXIV sold since the last time the event happened, 1 million, 2 million? It's not a handful, I've personally recruited 3 since after that time myself. This would please a large amount of players, while only putting off those who don't want others to have their shinies, and if it's truly not about being a special snowflake, then it doesn't apply to the majority of the posters who've said that it's not about that (the majority). Hairstyles would please less people, I can guarantee you that. Every single time a new one is added, "omg SE this looks identical to this one!" posts image of hair that looks nothing like it - That's unrelated though.

[zosia]

I'm starting to believe you're purposely talking your way around things, but there you go, straight from Google. Is purchasing something for a few dollars, hassle free, not considered convenient? Yes it is, there's no talking around facts. Tell me, why would they encounter bugs, you seem to assume the probability is high when this isn't the case unless they've poorly programmed something with aband-fix that may not work at a later date. Have they put FATEs that may overlap the event ones? I'm not sure, but probably not, and if so, they could be disabled during the event FATE. Is old content like dungeons broken after each major patch they perform? Perhaps, if the people working at SE are incompetent, but they aren't. The likelihood of that is lower than 20% I'd bet.

How much copies has FFXIV sold since the last time the event happened, 1 million, 2 million? It's not a handful, I've personally recruited 3 since after that time myself. This would please a large amount of players, while only putting off those who don't want others to have their shinies, and if it's truly not about being a special snowflake, then it doesn't apply to the majority of the posters who've said that it's not about that (the majority). Hairstyles would please less people, I can guarantee you that. Every single time a new one is added, "omg SE this looks identical to this one!" posts image of hair that looks nothing like it - That's unrelated though.

Based off your definition of convenience, anything with difficulty made easier could be "selling convenience." That's why we can't just use the standard dictionary to define what convenience means to the cash shop.

It's an inconvenient to farm gil, but if you want to participate in the game economy, you will at some point farm gil in one way or another. If putting the lightning gear in the SE shop is just selling convenience, then what's to stop someone making the same argument about gil being sold in the mog station?

That's why when you debate, you need to outline the terms, in this case it would be convenience and p2w. I am more than happy to discuss the idea of convenience vs P2W with you, but we have to define what convenience/p2w means within the context of this game, otherwise we just return to semantic arguments that are backed solely by subjective opinions.

How would I describe p2w? Anything that allows you to bypass gameplay for instant gratification.
How would I describe convenience? Anything that allows you do to something faster or more efficiently.

How do you define both of them?

[Samcaesar]

Snip

Yeah, and I'm in agreement with the "Let's not rehash the exact same event every year" part too, but why on earth can't they just do what they did with this previous Moonfire faire is beyond me. Implementing a vendor with previous years items and this years items for tokens/gil/whatever takes a whole lot less work, and I'm sure it's no where near the difficulty of making a new event.. So if they do the latter, why not do the former as well? If you're worried about adding it in again undermining the hard work of previous people, you might as well remove any previous content like Coil, because they're all loads easier with the massive jump in ilvl and the option to go in unlevel synced.

And.. Entitlement arguments are dumb. The word gets thrown around too much. Folks are entitled for wanting things, this includes wanting SE to allow old event items to be achievable in game.