How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Leananshee]

Pretty much. In HW I can't count how many times we'd have to tweak but, if you were smart, it'd be ok. Yet in SB if we dare deviate we lose out on our already piss-poor dps (no, despite what Yoshi says NIN brings more yet can do more).

Agreed It was heartbreaking to watch my dps hurting so much during repeated runs of OMG (my shortening for Omega) If my Dragon Sight missed/or before I changed it (Thankies Sunny for that Macro example, works a treat!), no matter if I had a perfect run, my dps sucked! like really bad T_T Then when my Dragon Sight was sorted I felt myself feeling cheated and jealous whenever the other melee was beating me and I couldn't help but think "Enjoy that inflated number because that was me..."

Actually, typing this out it sounds a little petty but then makes me think that bizarrely we are needed more than ever to make bad dps look good and good dps look better. While we're there struggling to maintain our prowess we've gotten so used to over the last couple of years.

[Nerva3xO]

Has anyone revisited the idea of skipping some 2nd 4th combo (or both) procs? When the time extension will be wasted, and or during LoTD when it cant be extended. All in an attempt to get back to Full Thrust faster. You can easily fit a double FT combo in your LoTD window without dropping any buffs/debuffs. I have been trying to parse this out on my own, and I keep coming up to relatively the same numbers about 3.8k over 2mins(with out infusions) no matter what rotation variations I try. Maybe I need a longer parse IDK but 2mins is about how long it takes to build and use the full LoTD buff.

[SirEnmi]

Has anyone revisited the idea of skipping some 2nd 4th combo (or both) procs. When the time extension will be wasted, and or during LoTD when it cant be extended. All in an attempt to get back to Full Thrust faster. You can easily fit a double FT combo in your LoTD window without dropping any buffs/debuffs. I have been trying to parse this out on my own, and I keep coming up to relatively the same numbers about 3.8k over 2mins(with out infusions) no matter what rotation variations I try. Maybe I need a longer parse IDK but 2mins is about how long it takes to build and use the full LoTD buff.

From what i've tested, it kinda screw up your Life Surge alignement with FT, and you have to re-use your BotD afterwards to keep up with your geirskogul CD (Still need to see if using it only during LotD yield better result). Even potency wise, it might look cool to pop another 440 potency in your rotation but you need to go through 150+240 potency before, and it fits barely in your Heavy Thrust window. On the other hand (no skip) you go straight to 290+320 potency, and I feel the 6s left on your HT buff is much welcomed in raid, and allow some room in case you get bumped, stunned, or loose the boss for 1-2s.

This being said, it's based purely on my feeling, i don't claim to have the right answer for this. But i must say, for now, Omega is so much fun for me as DRG. It kind of comfort me with this job.

[krall2069]

So I've been away for quite awhile and was just getting started to go through HW content, (I know I'm a ways behind) but obviously when i logged on I saw that a lot of my actions for Dragoon are not there anymore. I was just curious what the best rotation to use would be so I have some idea how to set up my action bars.

[Inuk9]

So I've been away for quite awhile and was just getting started to go through HW content, (I know I'm a ways behind) but obviously when i logged on I saw that a lot of my actions for Dragoon are not there anymore. I was just curious what the best rotation to use would be so I have some idea how to set up my action bars.

At lv 60 is like Heavy Thrust (BfB) Impulse Drive (BL) Disembowel (BotD) Chaos Thrust (Geirskogul) Wheeling Thrust (Jump) True Thrust (DragonFireDive) Vorpal Thrust (Life surge) Full Thrust (Spineshatter Dive)

Every 2 full thrust combos you reaply your Heavy Thrust buff and do a chaos thrust combo.



At lv 70 it changes a bit. Worry about that later.

[Nora_of_Mira]

So I've been away for quite awhile and was just getting started to go through HW content, (I know I'm a ways behind) but obviously when i logged on I saw that a lot of my actions for Dragoon are not there anymore. I was just curious what the best rotation to use would be so I have some idea how to set up my action bars.

Your rotation won't really "feel" complete until 70, but from 50 and onwards you want to alternate from Chaos Thrust combo and Full thrust combo, while having heavy thrust up at all times. Once you learn Blood of the Dragon, you want to practice keeping that up at ALL times by using the new combo finishers for both of the combos previously listed. Use your jumps on CD while under BotD and you're pretty much good to go. 60-70 you get the big changes to the job but it requires a mastery of keeping BotD up.

[krall2069]

Thanks guys, appreciate the quick replies!

[Jonnycbad]

Are you guys alternating FT and CT combos at 70? I find that at 1500 sks, I do HT, CT combo, then FT combo and theres like 14 sec left on CT and 12 sec left on disembowel. Do you clip these by 7-8 sec or let them both drop off for about 6 seconds and do a second FT rotation?

[TheKingSlayer]

Did some testing last night with an AST and I found a small way to make big changes is getting Spear cards. For those who never play healer and dont know what cards look like (other than balance), Spear is a CD reduction card. Spear reduces our recast timers for jumps, b4b, dragon sight, etc, by 20% (30% if they royal roaded). Since we are waiting on our Jumps for LoTD anyway, this helps us get our Nastrond significantly quicker. Getting a Spear on pull I was able to get my LotD and Nastrond up in just over 50 secs compared to the normal 80 secs.

The downfalls I see are 1) if you get them mid fight, it may throw off alignment of other oGCDs, 2) an AST probably wont Royal Road your Spear (increasing potency) 3) and most AST will burn a Spear for a Balance to give to the SAM.

[Stormbad]

^ Skill speed goon, new meta?