How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Erys]

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Thank you for clarifying. My doubt now is why measure it Ht loops when this creates (in this case) a difference in total gcds and actual time to perform? Wouldn't it be more accurate to use the same amount of gcds?
As for the Ht and Disembowel fall off I didn't know how to take into account that so again, thanks.

If it's as you say, then I really really hope the gcd gets to 2.3 because it's getting really dull. I would appreciate a change for dragoon, even if it means looking back to 2.X x'D

[Deathgiver]

My doubt now is why measure it Ht loops when this creates (in this case) a difference in total gcds and actual time to perform? Wouldn't it be more accurate to use the same amount of gcds?

You have to look at the loop because the way you calculated it, the next 14 gcds would have a different potency for both rotations. Like the double finisher would be C44-TTT44-HT-IDC44, which has significantly higher potency than the first 14.

If you did want to look at it over a set number of gcds you have to find the lowest common multiple of the 2 rotations (in this case 143 gcds)

[Thendiel]

Hey, fam. I posted some speculative word salad on reddit if anyone's interested.

Anyway, as I'm continuing to think more about the 4.0 opener, I believe I'm starting to close in on a near-optimum one, so I was hoping to get some more eyes on it in case I'm off-base. My assumptions are that:

• double-weaving non-jump-attack off-GCDs is possible
• our GCD rotation is HT-ID-Dis-CT-WhT-F&C-TT-VT-FT-F&C-WhT (the 4-hit-combo and 3-hit-combo rotations people are suggesting might turn out to be superior, but I'm skeptical, so I'll wait on the final math)
• the Dragon Gauge begins with zero Eyes
• our GCD length is around 2.5s (though this should be equally viable in the 2.3s or 2.4s ranges as well, I think)

My proposed opener is:

HT (BL + BotD) ID (BFB) Dis (Dragon Sight) CT (Jump) WhT (GK + Mirage Dive) F&C (SSD) TT (DFD) VT (Mirage Dive + LifeS) FT – F&C – WhT

...and, if we trace its long-term ramifications on BotD and LotD timing over time, we get:

HT (BL + BotD) ID (BFB) Dis (Dragon Sight) CT (Jump) WhT (GK + Mirage Dive) [15s on BotD with 1 DG] F&C (SSD) [22.5s on BotD with 1 DG] TT (DFD) VT (Mirage Dive + LifeS) [17.5s on BotD with 2 DG] FT – F&C [22.5s on BotD with 2 DG] WhT [30s on BotD with 2 DG] HT – ID – Dis – CT – WhT (Jump) F&C (Mirage Dive) [30s on BotD with 3 DG] TT – VT (GK) FT – F&C – WhT – HT – ID – Dis – CT – WhT – F&C (Jump) TT (Mirage Dive) [27.5s on BotD with 4 DG] VT (LifeS) FT (SSD) F&C – WhT (GK) [LotD activates! 30s] HT (BFB) ID (Nastrond + Mirage Dive) [25s on LotD with 1 DG] Dis – CT – WhT – F&C (Nastrond) TT – VT (Jump) FT (Mirage Dive) [7.5s on LotD with 2 DG] F&C (Nastrond) WhT – HT [LotD deactivates! ??s on BotD with 2 DG] ID – Dis (GK) – etc.

Stuff I like about this opener:

• all of our initial off-GCD attacks are buffed by all of our buffs
• Geirskogul timing works out really well, with Geirskogul #3 coming off cooldown at just the right moment in terms of BotD duration and BFB timing
• the first Jump is not placed between Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw
• there is no real need to delay any off-GCDs within the first minute (just need to delay Mirage Dive off of SSD #2)

Finally, I think that this opener can be modified somewhat simply, if awkwardly, to accommodate a potion if they are still viable. This would give us:

HT (BL + BotD) ID (BFB + Dragon Sight) Dis (Potion) CT (Jump) WhT (GK + Mirage Dive) F&C (SSD) TT (DFD) VT (Mirage Dive + LifeS) FT – F&C – WhT

Anyway, let me know if I'm missing anything or if there's room for improvement. GG if any of my assumptions turn out to be wrong, of course.

EDIT: Actually, the timing of Geirskogul #3 in this setup gets pretty iffy if your GCD is around 2.4s, since it would put your LotD activation at a moment with less than 30s on BotD. Hmmm...

EDIT2: Now I'm thinking that a sub-30s LotD start-timer isn't even a big deal. As long as you can fit in all three Nastronds, you should be golden, and that could be achieved with as low as 21s on the clock.

EDIT3: Maybe BL and BotD should be switched? It might be possible to ride Battle Litany all the way through to Fang and Claw, which would be more beneficial than getting an extra 0.4s or whatever on our BotD timer.

[Nathair]

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I'd probably move the second Mirage Dive closer to SSD, since we don't know how the effects acts once you use another skill, or honestly how long is the window we can use it in.
Also, we might want to postpone Sight a gcd just be sure, since it's only 15s.
All in all, we'll need to check how the timers work in the game.

As for me, whit my lovely ping, I won't be able to doublewave much, so I'll probably move DFD to the end, so I also don't have dead times between gcds in the opener.
Rip EU player playing on a NA server.

[Dacen_Drg]

I'd probably move the second Mirage Dive closer to SSD, since we don't know how the effects acts once you use another skill, or honestly how long is the window we can use it in.

Based on the screencaps of skills, both jump and spineshatter dive grant "Dive Ready" for 15s, "Dive Ready" is what enables you to use Mirage Dive, so as long as it was translated correctly and things were not changed since the NA media tour, we have 15s after our jumps to use Mirage Dive. Also neither tool tip says anything about skills other than Mirage Dive making "Dive Ready" go away.

[Arkenne]

Also neither tool tip says anything about skills other than Mirage Dive making "Dive Ready" go away.

But it goes away :/

[karionsiand]

I see a problem.... if you got your first Life of the Dragoon at second 60 but you use B4B after second GCD.... you will have about sec 62 your LotD... and it will remain till maybe sec 92... so Only last nastrond will be covered by B4B.

If you delay a bit your LotD to about sec 70-75 you will can to use 2 nastronds with BFB + other oGCDs like Spineshatter again. Ok this will delay your second LotD... but at second LotD it will happen about 130 and will fit again with B4B and Dragon sight

[Erys]

I see a problem.... if you got your first Life of the Dragoon at second 60 but you use B4B after second GCD.... you will have about sec 62 your LotD... and it will remain till maybe sec 92... so Only last nastrond will be covered by B4B.

If you delay a bit your LotD to about sec 70-75 you will can to use 2 nastronds with BFB + other oGCDs like Spineshatter again. Ok this will delay your second LotD... but at second LotD it will happen about 130 and will fit again with B4B and Dragon sight

Geirskogul's CD is 35s. We are using it after the 4th hit in the opener (12s into the fight). THe next use will be at 47 seconds and the last one at 82 seconds. We will have blood for blood for all three Nastronds, don't worry.

[HaelseMikiro]

Geirskogul's CD is 35s. We are using it after the 4th hit in the opener (12s into the fight). THe next use will be at 47 seconds and the last one at 82 seconds. We will have blood for blood for all three Nastronds, don't worry.

You'll never have B4B for all 3 Nastronds. It's 3 skills with a 10 second cooldown, and a 20 second buff window. If you had 20.1 seconds and lived next door to the data centers, maybe you could do it. More than likely, when you double weave B4B and Nastrond #1, you'll get that thing that summoners get when they hit Bane right after casting Bio 1. The server will register the damage from Nastrond before B4B actually applies to you. and you'll probably end up losing B4B fractions of a second before Nastrond #3.
Best way to do it (IMO) would be ensuring you have B4B for the GK going in to Lotd + Nastrond #1&2, or use it for Nastrond #2&3 + post LotD GK.

[Erys]

True

I shouldn't have come out of the bed today, been sloppy all day long.
Somehow I was thinking b4b was 30s. Wishful thinking I guess x'D