How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[BalmungAzuresky]

Really? I mean it's always tight for me, but I tend to land from that last jump right as the circles go out on people, giving me plenty of time to react. You just sorta have to be spot on with prepping your oGCDs ahead of time I've found. Never really had to adjust my opener for it though (agreed though, not worth bothering with pot on p1).

And yea, I have no idea what exactly you should pulling Azuresky, but I've been capable of 1500+ over 3 minutes since ilvl 210. I'm going to guess there's something wrong with your actual execution (dot uptime, improper cooldown use, etc...). Try giving the Front page a glance through again (particularly the rotation videos posted).

Yeah, I'll check the front page one more time later today or tomorrow. But if you managed to pull 1500+ since ilvl210, doing 1470 as ilvl218 is no good at all.

Thanks again for all the tips, I'll try and see what I can do.

[JackFross]

Yeah, I'll check the front page one more time later today or tomorrow. But if you managed to pull 1500+ since ilvl210, doing 1470 as ilvl218 is no good at all.

Thanks again for all the tips, I'll try and see what I can do.

Yeah, your dps is pretty low for your item level. It could be a lot better. My opening rotations differ from most people's here, but I like them a lot better, and the calculations I did have said that they're optimal.
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Theory behind it - the way I do it (holding BL until the end of the first gcd) gets me 9 gcds of BL, 9 gcds of B4B, and IR wears off after gsk but before FT.

BL, B4B, and IR can all gain an additional GCD if you delay them ~1s into the gcd spin. BL and B4B 8 at the start, 9 at the end. IR is 6 at start, 7 at end. In my rotation, BL covers everything from ID through the second FaC/WT proc. B4B covers Disembowel until the following Heavy Thrust (which, due to being buffed by Disembowel, is actually higher potency than the initial Impulse Drive).

I also did a quick recording and am very upset by it.

I ran the A8S dummy using my no-potion opener and didn't optimize for 3-minutes. 1743, came within 1% of killing it with no food, no potions.

I hope that video can help you see a bit of how my buffs line up as I go through the whole thing. I screwed up Leg Sweep at the start, though, (used it after Disembowel the second time, rather than after Impulse Drive) which almost screwed me out of a Leg Sweep at the end. D:

Gear reference

[LunaticDefiance]

Hello, I just created an account. The guide has really helped me out with learning the ins and outs of Dragoon. I wish the other classes had something like this.

But anyway I have a quick question. I'm a pretty poor player (I only have around 2-3 mil on me right now) but I was wondering if I could get some advice for gearing up. I'm hesitant to add materia on since I don't have any lvl 60 crafters and that they're relatively expensive. As it stands I know for certain I am outputting waaay too little DPS for my iLvl.

My character is here.

Thanks!

[MiniTyra]

Despite it being a slight PPS loss, I just delay that PS + Jump into the BFB. Got no time to play it risky. I do end up with 1 less Jump throughout the entire encounter, though.

If you have higher SS, you can DEFINITELY use the PS + Jump there, especially if you're doing the "DPS optimised" strat, by having x2 Melee + MT on the boss and the Purple blob off to the left/right.

[zeth07]

Anyone have any tips for DRG in The Feast? Like what skills to setup, what skills can I drop? What kind of "rotation" should I be doing?

The one thread I actually found seemed to be for Frontlines and others in the thread mentioned that the info wouldn't really work in the Wolves Den type matches.

I pretty much never did PvP but I'm competent enough for PvE stuff, I just have no idea what the hell I'm supposed to do in PvP since people are running away, getting healed, I'm getting stunned/slept occasionally.

I really want the new PvP set since now it isn't restricted behind ranks or anything. It is just a matter of time before I get it since even losses give marks but I'd rather not be dead weight and terrible.

[Kitfox]

Hello, I just created an account. The guide has really helped me out with learning the ins and outs of Dragoon. I wish the other classes had something like this.

But anyway I have a quick question. I'm a pretty poor player (I only have around 2-3 mil on me right now) but I was wondering if I could get some advice for gearing up. I'm hesitant to add materia on since I don't have any lvl 60 crafters and that they're relatively expensive. As it stands I know for certain I am outputting waaay too little DPS for my iLvl.

My character is here.

Thanks!

Do Beastmen dailies for free T4 materia.

[BalmungAzuresky]

I ran the A8S dummy using my no-potion opener and didn't optimize for 3-minutes. 1743, came within 1% of killing it with no food, no potions.

I hope that video can help you see a bit of how my buffs line up as I go through the whole thing. I screwed up Leg Sweep at the start, though, (used it after Disembowel the second time, rather than after Impulse Drive) which almost screwed me out of a Leg Sweep at the end. D:

Gear reference

1743 without pot ? Wow, yeah there's clearly something wrong with me

Thanks a lot for sharing your opening rotation. I'll try to give it a try on the A5S Dummy and work on it.

Edit : tried, A5S dummy down (2 sec left) and 1410 and 1359. I'll keep checking your video and see if my gear is not messed up (still have to get Sephi weapon too).

[Khadroth]

I ran the A8S dummy using my no-potion opener and didn't optimize for 3-minutes. 1743, came within 1% of killing it with no food, no potions.

Gear reference

Wow, 1% on the a8s dummy with a bikini and pareo on!?! Haha sometimes I wish lodestone would let us link gear sets :/

Also... everything you say about your opener makes sense to me, which I find strange because I thought dervy/thendiel modeled the opener to have the biggest pps benefit. Seems to me like yours would be better.

[Aiurily]

Also... everything you say about your opener makes sense to me, which I find strange because I thought dervy/thendiel modeled the opener to have the biggest pps benefit. Seems to me like yours would be better.

the most common opener (ht bl bfb) etc wasn't fully designed by either, or for the reason of pps

as far as comparing openers go, the original was made with 2.39-2.40 gcd in mind.

with that gcd (around 600 sksp), ht (ir bl) -> dis (bfb botd) id (botd bfb), ir wears off before vorpal and geirskogul. in exchange you gain bfb on ht instead of disembowel (8-9 potency gain) and litany on 4th hit. in a dummy situation at 2.39-2.40 gcd as well, the 2nd bfb will start earliest on on true thrust instead of a phleb, ending on a 4th hit instead of CT

then for comparing PS->LSW, this only matters if doing LSW->PS would let you get LS off a GCD earlier and keep it that way in the long term. i found that it isn't the case; and that having PS closer to the cds of LS/BoTD was nice compared to something that i felt wasn't tangible (having LSW off cd 0.5s earlier)

it's pretty minor either way though. im always gonna root for ht->litany because it means as a machinist, my lead shot is guaranteed to be buffed, huhuhu~

[PheonixCain]

I also did a quick recording and am very upset by it.[/URL]

where can i buy that spear for glamours? ur making me very regret of turning it into the relic...