How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Khadroth]

I ran the A8S dummy using my no-potion opener and didn't optimize for 3-minutes. 1743, came within 1% of killing it with no food, no potions.

Gear reference

Wow, 1% on the a8s dummy with a bikini and pareo on!?! Haha sometimes I wish lodestone would let us link gear sets :/

Also... everything you say about your opener makes sense to me, which I find strange because I thought dervy/thendiel modeled the opener to have the biggest pps benefit. Seems to me like yours would be better.

[Aiurily]

Also... everything you say about your opener makes sense to me, which I find strange because I thought dervy/thendiel modeled the opener to have the biggest pps benefit. Seems to me like yours would be better.

the most common opener (ht bl bfb) etc wasn't fully designed by either, or for the reason of pps

as far as comparing openers go, the original was made with 2.39-2.40 gcd in mind.

with that gcd (around 600 sksp), ht (ir bl) -> dis (bfb botd) id (botd bfb), ir wears off before vorpal and geirskogul. in exchange you gain bfb on ht instead of disembowel (8-9 potency gain) and litany on 4th hit. in a dummy situation at 2.39-2.40 gcd as well, the 2nd bfb will start earliest on on true thrust instead of a phleb, ending on a 4th hit instead of CT

then for comparing PS->LSW, this only matters if doing LSW->PS would let you get LS off a GCD earlier and keep it that way in the long term. i found that it isn't the case; and that having PS closer to the cds of LS/BoTD was nice compared to something that i felt wasn't tangible (having LSW off cd 0.5s earlier)

it's pretty minor either way though. im always gonna root for ht->litany because it means as a machinist, my lead shot is guaranteed to be buffed, huhuhu~

[JackFross]

with that gcd (around 600 sksp), ht (ir bl) -> id (botd bfb), ir wears off before vorpal and geirskogul. in exchange you gain bfb on ht instead of impulse drive (8-9 potency gain) and litany on 4th hit. in a dummy situation at 2.39-2.40 gcd as well, the 2nd bfb will start earliest on on true thrust instead of a phleb, ending on a 4th hit instead of CT

B-bolded minor fixes to not confuse people. S-silly Machinist...;;
(and potentially picking up the Jump there which you'll generally miss otherwise)

But, yeah.

it's pretty minor either way though. im always gonna root for ht->litany because it means as a machinist, my lead shot is guaranteed to be buffed, huhuhu~

It's very minor and makes a few wonky things happen later on that are different than the normal rotation. Those differences are generally not noticed in practical application due to dropped GCDs thanks to the mechanics of Midas Savage, which is a good thing.

It really comes down mainly to personal preference. The MAIN THING is you need to have BL, B4B, IR, HT, and Dis all active before you use any damage over time skills or off-gcd attacks. BotD needs to be up before Jump or Spineshatter are used, and the first Jump should be Power Surged. Every ogcd should be buffed by both BL and B4B (and IR should hit as many as possible).

If you do all that ^ your opener is gonna be within poking distance of the optimal opener in terms of pps. So, yeah. If you're aiming for optimal, it definitely depends on what you define optimal to mean.


And, I mean, I don't use Dragonfire or Battle Litany in my A5S opener, since I save DFD for the snake and BL to use as soon as he's small. It makes their timers nicer for the duration of the fight (DFD on snake and pigs - with b4b - with one in-between during babby mode is <3) without dropping any uses.

[Aiurily]

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yeah, the main goal overall is to just get the big hitters fully buffed and stuff, which most openers these days do. the rest is sorta personal pref because of how it changes cd timings

also i was tired ok, i was drg main originally, no bully

[JackFross]

also i was tired ok, i was drg main originally, no bully

bullying intensifies

well you should always remember everything tbh i mean come on gosh