How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[MiniTyra]

So as a drg that lb's the third leg do I pop my cds after or during dolls?

Depends. Are you doing Adds or not?

[JoelStrife]

New lancer here and soon to be Dragoon..

I've always tanked in MMO's but feel the need to get involved with the damage dishing side of things

[JackFross]

After the add phase, should I pop everything during that first cascade with the risk that ferrofluid kills several seconds of my uptime?

After add phase, all I have up is Jump+SSD (sometimes), DFD (I save this for after Ferro), and BotD. I use IR+B4B near the end of add phase (usually on the final Piston wave; I'll burn mine down then SSD to whichever tank is having trouble to finish that one off). Others will pop it after the last Ferro in adds phase goes out, so you will definitely get your 9 gcds and such.

Either way, it won't be back until after Ferro, so there shouldn't be a dilemma as to when to use it.

There's a small contingent of people who don't like to use B4B during adds, but there's no reason not to. You'll get +1 bonus B4B in the fight that people who DON'T use it there won't necessarily get. Plus, you can get double/triple gsk hits under that b4b if the positioning is friendly!

[Ash_Smokespear]

There's a small contingent of people who don't like to use B4B during adds, but there's no reason not to. You'll get +1 bonus B4B in the fight that people who DON'T use it there won't necessarily get. Plus, you can get double/triple gsk hits under that b4b if the positioning is friendly!

Yep that's kind of what I was worried about, using it in a phase that doesn't necessarily benefit from faster execution. I guess I won't worry about that any more then

[JackFross]

It's definitely useful to note:
http://www.fflogs.com/reports/compar...22340,10112832

I trimmed Hak's kill to Dervy's kill length to showcase the disparity in B4B and BL timers. So, regardless how effective or ineffective those buffs are during adds phase, they're MORE beneficial than no buff at all, right? And you'll still get the same amount of casts in the following phase, regardless, so there's really no reason to hold them, imo.

More visual comparison of B4B
You just need to turn each of them on on the graph to see the little boxes that show buff times.

[Gaiussenpai]

Depends. Are you doing Adds or not?

Yeah I'm doing adds and lb.

[MiniTyra]

Living Liquid, off the top of my head is, what? 4.3m HP? Add Phase rips off 8% of his HP. The entire phase from the first set of Pistons until Living Liquid is targettable again lasts 92.5 seconds.


4300000 * 8% = 344000 Damage.

This is a timed phase. No matter how many buffs you use, no matter how many crits you get (you may get lucky), it's still, always, 344000 damage in 92.5 seconds which the raid must execute. Even if you complete the entire phase in 95 seconds, that's 7 seconds of you not doing anything, waiting for Living Liquid to spawn and that's 7 seconds being added to your eDPS. Yeah, maybe you can hit higher numbers and kill the adds faster and maybe your damage in proportion to everyone else in the raid is higher, as you're "eating" damage they could of inflicted, but it seems like such a waste.

Also, remember that most buffs are multiplicative. So if you have a Trick Attack, a Blood for Blood and a Potion, (Drac-Pot in raid is a 1.0945 multiplier), instead of receiving a combined raid buff of 1.1 + 1.3 + 1.0945 (1.4945) separately, using them all together yields 1.1 * 1.3 * 1.0945 = 1.565135 multiplier instead, It just so happens that directly after the add Phase, you get every single one of your buffs ready and available. Coupled with an IR and a BL, you're essentially redoing your opener. You could even delay your opener, using BotD on the cascade and generating more BOTD Timer, then using all the buffs on the ferrofluid, allowing you to get x2 BFB + POT + IR + BL GKs, if timed correctly.

Maybe it's because I'm coming from a progression mindset... Having all buffs being used together, multiplicatively, along with synchronised BLs + Fey w/e it's called just seems... Better?. That's my mindset of buff usage at least.

[Dunncan]

Hey guys

Wich is the BiS Solver you are using? I remember Dervy posting one of his own, or Sunny's, I can't remember. I tried Ariyala today for some calc, but it seems to fail sometimes as I could reach a better score with same "configurations" by my self.

[Hakmatic]

Hello guys! I've been gone for a few months, i'll be coming back to do the next raid tier, going get the dust off.

[CGMidlander]

Hello guys! I've been gone for a few months, i'll be coming back to do the next raid tier, going get the dust off.

wb
Lots of people have taken a break amidst the content drought. I can't wait to get things going full steam again too.