How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[PogueX]

what does it mean when people say that the DRG has good "burst damage" got sick of playing PLD so i am leveling DRG now. D

[Greyfrost]

what does it mean when people say that the DRG has good "burst damage" got sick of playing PLD so i am leveling DRG now. D

Our DPS burst is within the first 2 minute range, then it stay low or so for the next minute, then it bursts again. Like that.

[Greyfrost]

I'm trying everything you say, (except I don't use cooldowns during meteors, other than that, I try to max out everything, BOTD usage, GK's (545 ss at i203 so that sucks :c) but I seem not to get any higher than 900-910 dps lmao. I have the i205 spear. I'm still struggling to stay alive during the fight because I wasn't present at day 1 when my static raided so I didn't get as much trying as they had and I die naturally.

But it demotivates me quickly lol, seeing all those monk/mch/whatever is in my party, end up with like 1000+ dps rofl.

I was away for some time from this thread but I'm back now, so I can help with strat. I'm expecting you need help with DPS optimizations during Thordan trial?

For research purpose and I was being curious enough tonight, I can deal around 1480 DPS over 3 minute on dummy with HQ Draco pots of strength.

Weapon was i205.

My stats is as follow :


Is it possible to throw out 4 GSK permin?

[whiskeybravo]

I have 700+ skill speed and the only way to really get 4 per min is to drop Phleb. Usually just do this in dungeons, like Jack was saying, HT-IDC4-IDC4 multidotting.

Unless there's some combination of sch/ast buffs to push way over the normal GCD, but that's not going to be sustainable.

[JackFross]

But it demotivates me quickly lol, seeing all those monk/mch/whatever is in my party, end up with like 1000+ dps rofl.

The Thordan trial is really finnicky. You can't get a high parse like the one Then has up or the one I have up without the rest of your dps (and mostly the tanks) doing sub-par dps. You enter the last phase sub-1000 pretty much no matter what. From then on, your dps steadily rises. The longer the fight goes, the higher you go up. If you really wanna see how you're doing, check your DPS when standing around for Ultimate End. It should be over 1000, or at least close to 1000. If you're considerably lower than that, an 1100 parse or even a 1000 parse isn't very likely if your MNK and MCH are both ending over 1k.

Dying also has a pretty significant impact on dps, so try not to do that. Mechanics are more important - remember:
Dropping Blood of the Dragon for a while doesn't impact your DPS nearly as bad as being dead for even a fraction of that duration.

Also keep in mind that 8/10 top parses on the fight have an AST feeding them all of the cards to pad higher and place higher on the rankings. Party comp plays a big role.



The breakpoint for 4 gsk per minute with the normal rotation puts your gcd below 2.15, which would cause a whole host of other issues. In order to get +1 gsk per minute, you need to get +1 full combo in that minute. Since BotD comes back just before a third hit of the combo, you need to inject 5 gcds. If you get 25 GCDs in 1 minute currently (which you should be), you need to extend that to 30. 25 in one minute is a 2.4 gcd, hence why we aim for 2.4 gcd. It makes things clean and simple. 30 in one minute is a 2.0 gcd, hence why we don't even consider trying to make this work. Granted, the leeway is such that you can probably pull it off with a 2.05-ish gcd and not screw it up, since you can pull off 3 gsk per minute with a 2.45 gcd (since you only *technically* need to get 22 gcds in 1 minute, which is easily doable, regardless of your sks, and therefore just need 27 gcds to pull it off, which is like a 2.22 gcd, which is *still* far too short to realistically reach).

With single target Arrow or Enhance Arrow, you can pull off the 4gsk per minute *if the buff lasts one minute and is used exactly when your botd starts*. With Enhanced, the breathing room is a lot lighter and it's actually pretty easy to get the extra gsk in, though.


And, as whiskey said, if you want to make it consistent, you need to drop Phleb from your rotation altogether and you'll consistently hit 4/min.

[whiskeybravo]

It's been a long time since I've had to do algebra xD but I came up with 1553 skill speed as a number to reach 2.05 gcd

Reverse engineered Dervy's GCD formula

SS = (((GCD-2.50256)/-.01)*26.5)+354

Seems to get close enough on the proof check

[Greyfrost]

The MCH in my static also got some crazy DPS, she usually ends P1 being 2nd on DPS ranking, if I don't get targeted by mechanics a lot I can deal much higher DPS than when I do, that's just how it is.

Other than that it's just simple stuff like try to kill a knight during 2 knight before the sword/shield swap, or at least if your group can't, then use something to minimize movement, SSD/DFD/EJ.

Usually I save whatever cooldowns I have during the Sacred Cross knight before the 2 knight so my party can comfortably kill a sword knight before it swaps.

During Comet Phase, the cooldowns I'm using is BFB, BotD, PS, Jump, LegS, I use SSD if necessary to reach comet circle on the far side but usually this isn't the problem and I use it to travel to the meteor circle at middle.
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2.05 GCD, lol, is it as fast as MNK with GL3 up? More button mashing.

I tried to do 4GSK permin on trash pulls earlier, not much but it's still better to do I guess.

[Leonus]

Looking at some Thordan numbers I feel a little short, highest I got was 1040 with a 3 melee setup and me using both LB3 and LB2 (as I'm usually the one to lb, which sucks) it was drg (me), a random nin (who was also one 1k), and my Static mnk who was a little over 1.1k. This is before I got my weapon last night though and called it quits for the night. 4th dps was our (static) smn just under 1k, like 990 or something.

I need to step my game up apparently.

[whiskeybravo]

I haven't got to complete the fight yet, but there are a lot of mechanics like the dives, if you got bad rng your # is gonna be lower than the monk or nin that didn't kinda thing. Plus, as Jack mentioned, DPS that get fed cards from Ast are gonna be higher than those without.

[Ninjah2r]

@Jack, thanks for replying. It makes sense what you said about 2.22 ish gcd needed to get 4 GK's in there. and it makes completely sense too that it would bring a whole lot of other problems like tp managing.

Just gets me frustrated when my dps is not that high in that fight, I automatically blame my skill / my limited time I have to be better at that fight, because I always feel like underperforming/not doing my best when I look at the numbers.