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  1. #351
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    I think it might be possible with high skill speed sets only. Let me run some calculations, I'll get back to you. But the Disembowel dropping for a second can imply another DPS loss, since it means the BRD has, say, a 60% chance of losing out on the 10% increase every 30 seconds. Since Disembowel currently contributes about 90 dps to top tier BRDs, it would mean that if instead of 100% uptime we have 95% uptime then it's maybe 85 dps instead. 5 dps isn't a lot, but it's another small factor to consider.
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  2. #352
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    Turns out skill speed doesn't change the impact of removing Phlebotomize one way or another significantly.

    Best 3 minute sequence I can come up with for no Phlebotomize is 1529 dps versus using Phlebotomize at 1549 dps. Subtract 5 from the Disembowel effect for BRD, and you're looking at losing 25 raid DPS in exchange for extra TP, I guess. But, TP is not really a problem in the current raid tier. There's so many breaks that if you use Invigorate at correct timings, you'll probably never run out of TP, even without a NIN.

    I suppose if you're TP starved for a significant amount of time then it's worth it, but by my estimation you'd probably have to be TP starved for at least 20 full seconds during the fight. I would say you just need better TP management then.

    This is, however, significantly better for AS2, due to the extra Geirskogul/min hitting multiple targets. If each Geirskogul hits just 2 targets, it's superior DPS on top of saving TP.

    Keep in mind that the reduction of 25 dps would make dps checks ever slightly harder.

    In conclusion, any raid that you can consistently hit 2 or more targets with Geirskogul would benefit from dropping Phlebotomize. Otherwise, TP management is probably the answer.
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  3. #353
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    That confirms something else I was gonna ask about. I had stopped using Phlebotomize during double hands in p2, since I was getting a full less gsk on double hands - 3 instead of 4 (iirc; would have to pay attention to exact amounts next time) and noticed my average dps hopping up by ~20. I stopped seeing 1350's (1370 became my lowest outside of massive fuckups) and saw more 1400's.
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  4. #354
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    Toughts on the new DRG weapon from Thordan Extreme ?

    According to this:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mining/cwur89c

    Halberd of the Heavens - 105 Strength , 110 Vitality , 97 crit, 65 determination (75 Damage, 2.88 Delay).

    + 1 WD, +4 Strength +5 Crit but -64 SKS compared to the 200 ESO one, which Im using atm.

    I'm not sure I can even reach the minimum SKS of 590 with this...
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  5. #355
    Player JackFross's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RexMax View Post
    Toughts on the new DRG weapon from Thordan Extreme ?

    According to this:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mining/cwur89c

    Halberd of the Heavens - 105 Strength , 110 Vitality , 97 crit, 65 determination (75 Damage, 2.88 Delay).

    + 1 WD, +4 Strength +5 Crit +65 Det but -64 SKS compared to the 200 ESO one, which Im using atm.

    I'm not sure I can even reach the minimum SKS of 590 with this...
    It's pretty much a strict upgrade. Hitting the minimum is a tiny bit tricky, yeah, looking at what you have to work with. If you pick up the belt from Void Ark, you'll hit 601 sks with Thordan weapon and still see a significant overall gain in damage. That looks like it'd be the quickest fix, requiring the least amount of work.

    That said, the 590 isn't absolutely necessary to maintain the rotation, it just gives a lot more wiggle room than lower skill speeds do and give you less downtime on Heavy Thrust and Phlebotomize, which both start dropping at lower sks values.
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    Here are some random pieces of Mistbreak gear I've obtained if anyone was curious:

    Ignoring main stats since they're the same as other 210 gear,
    Belt: +37 ACC / +14 DET
    Legs: +37 ACC / +34 CRIT / +49 DET / +78 SKL SPD
    Earrings: +15 CRIT / +16 DET / +32 SKL SPD
    Bracelet: +14 SKL SPD

    I haven't been raiding Savage since my static fell apart almost a week or two after it came out, so I haven't had any options for upgrades until now.

    Now I just need to figure out how to incorporate them or not.
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  7. #357
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    Has our BiS changed since void ark and diadem have been released?
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  8. #358
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    There is no such thing as bis anymore. Its all just luck.
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  9. #359
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesui View Post
    Has our BiS changed since void ark and diadem have been released?
    Going by some of the other Diadem gear I've seen people post (the not fake ones), the BiS gearset would be full Diadem I imagine since the stat combinations can be outrageous. At least if all the slots can have absurd totals relative to the slots themselves.

    Here is the person with the WHM pants that's been posted around:
    http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/3112429/
    +54, +91, +43, +45. Now part of the argument against it is that they aren't all "useful" stats, but if DRG gear can get anywhere near those numbers in the melee stats then they would be amazing.

    The pants I got had 198 total stats, the WHM pants have 233. Savage pants have 157, and upgraded ESO have 160. So it would just be a matter of having the best possible combination of stats across all the slots that make up for whatever difference from Savage and upgraded ESO gear.

    (Un)fortunately the Diadem gear is random, so the grind to get a full set of insane stat Mistbreak gear would be tedious.
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  10. #360
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    Duo Maxwel
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    Interesting topic, as I'm levelling up my DRG right now...
    Hey Thendiel, is it ok for me to translate your first four posts into French ? Could be a good idea, as it's a bit hard sometimes, even for me...
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