How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Vincent_Mateus]

Give us Dervy back! He was the only reason I kept playing through 2.5 and I owe him my reputation on my server.

[rickyguo]

aight having too much skillspeed isn't as detrimental in raid environment as dummy since I don't think there's any fight where you're using optimum 3 laser/min timings

i got 711 skillspeed on my current set and I don't notice my self losing lasers due to skillspeed since we're inherently delaying them for mechanics

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RL4B

i don't really hit anything from the front that much in a4s so I might just stick with the 639 set but I'll probably go for the high crit low det set first as I prefer more skillspeed as a buffer for things and 650 sounds more legit to me than 604.

[SunnyHirose]

aight having too much skillspeed isn't as detrimental in raid environment as dummy since I don't think there's any fight where you're using optimum 3 laser/min timings

I've been a bit too busy raiding to properly theorycraft Geirskogul--or compose proper responses to the last day or so's worth of posts , but this reflects my raiding experience too. You rarely get to babysit your BotD timer perfectly. If you can do it, consider it a bonus (or make-up damage for flubbing something...). Forget trying to fit two in a Blood for Blood... I just settle for holding that Hyper Viper Beam until after IR.

For the curious, my model currently counts Geirskogul as just plain 3 per minute with no particular buff timings in mind. It's a source of error for sure, but I'm loath to add yet another confounding factor into it at the moment.

[Hakmatic]

aight having too much skillspeed isn't as detrimental in raid environment as dummy since I don't think there's any fight where you're using optimum 3 laser/min timings

i don't really hit anything from the front that much in a4s so I might just stick with the 639 set but I'll probably go for the high crit low det set first as I prefer more skillspeed as a buffer for things and 650 sounds more legit to me than 604.

I'm thinking the same thing as you Yan. Like the exact same as you lol

[Butcherboy]

I actually won't mind doing dungeons run for key items. It gives reason to revisit older once. The only thing I didn't really care for where the books.

[JackFross]

There's absolutely no way that the benefit for your new relic will be based on having the old relic for that class. Longinus Zeta won't be required to get a bonus for the DRG relic. ANY Zeta will be. How can I be so sure about this? SE is dumb, yeah, but they're not dumb enough to say that the new jobs aren't allowed to get whatever bonus comes with having a Zeta as far as relic progression goes. It's more than likely just gonna require that you got the Z title, regardless what Job you got it for. If you have Excalibur Zeta, you'll get a headstart on the relics in 3.1. Maybe just on your first relic? Who knows. But it won't be tied to jobs, I'm about 90% sure.

Now watch me be wrong. D:

[whiskeybravo]

There's absolutely no way that the benefit for your new relic will be based on having the old relic for that class. Longinus Zeta won't be required to get a bonus for the DRG relic. ANY Zeta will be. How can I be so sure about this? SE is dumb, yeah, but they're not dumb enough to say that the new jobs aren't allowed to get whatever bonus comes with having a Zeta as far as relic progression goes. It's more than likely just gonna require that you got the Z title, regardless what Job you got it for. If you have Excalibur Zeta, you'll get a headstart on the relics in 3.1. Maybe just on your first relic? Who knows. But it won't be tied to jobs, I'm about 90% sure.

Now watch me be wrong. D:

Without getting too much off-topic.. I could see the opposite of what you're saying come true. I mean, considering there was no relic grind for the new jobs prior, there might not be a boost for their relics. Who knows, though.

[Ninjah2r]

There's absolutely no way that the benefit for your new relic will be based on having the old relic for that class. Longinus Zeta won't be required to get a bonus for the DRG relic. ANY Zeta will be. How can I be so sure about this? SE is dumb, yeah, but they're not dumb enough to say that the new jobs aren't allowed to get whatever bonus comes with having a Zeta as far as relic progression goes. It's more than likely just gonna require that you got the Z title, regardless what Job you got it for. If you have Excalibur Zeta, you'll get a headstart on the relics in 3.1. Maybe just on your first relic? Who knows. But it won't be tied to jobs, I'm about 90% sure.

Now watch me be wrong. D:

I hope that what you are saying comes true lmfao XD.

[Greyfrost]

As for how the universally-accepted BiS, I won't think there'll be any since it'll be based on player's preference, seeing how we have 3 (Or more) as of now, it just shows that the BiS for each players are different imo.

And for myself, I'm slightly leaning towards either Yan's High-SS set or Dervy's "Balanced" set.

Simply because it got the necessary accuracy to beat contents, and also passing the minimum SS numbers needed to get the GCD to maximize rotation, the crits aren't falling too hard, and as for DET... Well, I don't really get how this works now.

Until we can get a set that can give us a reliable CHR percentage, e.g 35%+, I personally don't think going for more CHR and sacrificing SS/DET is justified, weights aside.

Again, this is just a personal opinion.
(I hate RNG ;_; )

Is there any calculation for level 60 DRG about CHR/CDM? i.e. Having xxx CRIT gives xx% CHR and xx% CDM

[JackFross]

From fiddling with it a bit, I found this trend (sorta)
100 crit = ~2.331% crit rate/crit damage

600 crit is ~11% crit rate/151% crit damage, 700 crit is ~13% crit rate/153% crit damage, 800 crit is ~15% crit rate/155% crit damage.
900 crit jumps to ~18%, 1000 crit hits 20%.

It's approximate because it's rounded a bit (it's like 2.3310023 so 2.331 is pretty accurate) and based on the calculations in the OP posts which may or may not be 100% accurate to how things actually work out. I don't personally know how those calculations were derived or discovered, so I'm merely using them and saying "I don't know how accurate or inaccurate these numbers are."

But yeah. Calculations can be found in the Number Crunching part of the OP.

(Which brings up that Then~ you should probably update the links in the OP to link to the pieces of this thread rather than linking to the old one)