How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Radacci]

Hey, My DRG is 214, and i'm doing maybe 1450dps:ish on SSS A5S; need 1486 to break it. FC NIN gets like 1550 and tells me i should be higher than NIN. are DRG supposed to be stronger than NIN? cause i can't see how i would possibly be able to increase my DPS by 100+, aside from getting multiple ilv230 pieces. I have seph spear, and bought slip helm and eikon boots, should i be doing like 1600dps?

[JackFross]

All things equal, a DRG should beat out a NIN in a straight dps race by ~5-10% or so. If he's rocking significantly better gear, it'll be easy for him to edge you out. If he's got a WAR supporting him so he doesn't have to Dancing Edge, he'll close that gap. In those solo parses, though, there's no party buff or party support, just you on the dummy.

It's also possible that you had an unlucky run and he got a really lucky one. I killed the A5S dummy at i210 with ~2-3 seconds to spare, so it's also possible you're missing something significant or just not doing the rotation properly at one point or another.

[Nominous]

It's also possible that you had an unlucky run and he got a really lucky one. I killed the A5S dummy at i210 with ~2-3 seconds to spare, so it's also possible you're missing something significant or just not doing the rotation properly at one point or another.

I'm in a similar-ish situation where I think my average is around 1500 even with a Sephirot weapon and a couple 220 accessories. Quite concerned that there's literally nothing I can do to increase that DPS, even though I know higher CAN be done.

I fully understand almost everything that can be done to increase DPS as DRG. Advanced Opener. 2 GK per BfB. Life Surge on the next Full-Thrust or 4th. The skeleton rotation is hard to mess up. I don't know what else I can do to squeeze out this extra 50+ dps that people are doing, unless it's just HQ pots or better gear (I'm not BiS).

[zeth07]

Hey, My DRG is 214, and i'm doing maybe 1450dps:ish on SSS A5S; need 1486 to break it. FC NIN gets like 1550 and tells me i should be higher than NIN. are DRG supposed to be stronger than NIN? cause i can't see how i would possibly be able to increase my DPS by 100+, aside from getting multiple ilv230 pieces. I have seph spear, and bought slip helm and eikon boots, should i be doing like 1600dps?

I'm at 212 and failed it at 3-4%, which the Stone Sky Sea calculator puts me at 1,440dps. But I do NOT have Sephirot EX weapon and I did not use food or pots. So I don't know if +1 WD will equal out to about the same dps increase but I'm still not close to 1485. I actually failed it at 4% previously before I even got any of the Midas drops, so it seems odd that even 3 new pieces didn't help my dps that much besides maybe 1 extra percent.


I asked if any other dps in my FC beat the test and I believe it was a MCH, then I asked if they used food and pots and they said no. They need to do 1286 apparently, but since it is relative to the job I don't know if that is an excuse for why I'm somehow not able to beat it but they can. I feel like I'm doing everything correctly.

For further reference:
- Weapon = 210 Brionac
- Head = 210 Esoterics
- Body = 210 Esoterics
- Hands = 220 Midan (no melds)
- Waist = 210 Esoterics
- Legs = 210 Mistbreak (+37 acc, +34 crit, +49 det, +78 skl spd)
- Feet = 220 Midan Boots (no melds)
- Necklace = 210 Esoterics
- Earrings = 210 Mistbreak (+15 crit, +16 det, +32 skl spd)
- Bracelet = 210 Esoterics
- Ring 1 = 210 Esoterics
- Ring 2 = 220 Midan Ring (no melds)

I never did the previous Savage so I can't min/max and this all puts me way over the presumed acc cap for A5S which sure isn't helping me any.

I tried to switch out my Mistbreak legs for Esoteric legs for less acc and more crit but it didn't seem to make a noticeable difference.

Acc = 729
Crit = 718
Det = 412
Skl Spd = 693

[Radacci]

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well the HP of dummy is based on job, so his dummy got even less HP, so he needs less DPS to clear it, but does 100dps more, so he's quite a lot stronger. I had seph wep, he had 210 wep, and still was at around 1550. Now he got seph wep, and several 220 melded pieces, so he's probably 1600+ at this time.
Even after i got seph wep, 230 helm, 220 boots, it didn't change my DPS by much.
i'm not using pots or food, no melds. It's probably more micro managing rotation, but i don't know if i can squeeze out 100 more dps by that.

I'm at 212 and failed it at 3-4%, which the Stone Sky Sea calculator puts me at 1,440dps. But I do NOT have Sephirot EX weapon and I did not use food or pots. So I don't know if +1 WD will equal out to about the same dps increase but I'm still not close to 1485. I actually failed it at 4% previously before I even got any of the Midas drops, so it seems odd that even 3 new pieces didn't help my dps that much besides maybe 1 extra percent.

ya it's basically same for me - it's just a few points of DPS increase, and i'm still stuck at 3-5% at A5S SSS, before and after upgrades.

[JackFross]

If you're unsure what's going on, record yourself and play it back. When you do, you'll be able to point out things such as a cooldown being held for x gcds or you delaying a gcd at a certain point, screwing up with power surge, etc. In the moment, everything *feels* right, but when you look at it, you might notice a glaring mistake. That was me in A3S. I thought everything I was doing was perf and was confused how I wasn't hitting x. I recorded, rewatched, and found a segment where I just stopped attacking to handle a mechanic. Fixed that next time, suddenly my dps was where I wanted it to be.

I'll throw on my 210 gear tomorrow and hit the A5S dummy again to make sure I'm not crazy, but I know for a fact that I cleared it before getting my Sephirot weapon. So having it and failing has to be something bigger than gear.

I know this because the first thing I did when getting the Sephirot weapon was hit the A6S dummy, since that's the one I was trying to clear at the time.

[Nominous]

If you're unsure what's going on, record yourself and play it back. When you do, you'll be able to point out things such as a cooldown being held for x gcds or you delaying a gcd at a certain point, screwing up with power surge, etc. In the moment, everything *feels* right, but when you look at it, you might notice a glaring mistake. That was me in A3S. I thought everything I was doing was perf and was confused how I wasn't hitting x. I recorded, rewatched, and found a segment where I just stopped attacking to handle a mechanic. Fixed that next time, suddenly my dps was where I wanted it to be..

Well, I'm talking about dummy parses. Which is why it's all the more confusing as to how I can't hit any higher. It's a perfect environment, with decent latency. Maybe it's because I didn't use a pot in my most recent ones.

[GeneralDowns]

I didn't even think about coming on this to check for the order of progression when it comes to gear in the first week. Here is what I was running before 3.2: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SY99

Since I didn't manage to get to A3S and get the helmet, I decided to get the lore helmet first since it has the same stats as the gordian helmet, while getting the Midas ring last week and a crafted 220 ring. After running Midas last night, I picked up the necklace and the bracelet so I now look like this: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SY9C

After seeing no mention of the lore helmet and worrying it was a bad choice, I have to ask: Was the helmet a good call in this case, or should I have saved for the legs and make them a priority for next week?

[Radacci]

If you're unsure what's going on, record yourself and play it back. When you do, you'll be able to point out things such as a cooldown being held for x gcds or you delaying a gcd at a certain point, screwing up with power surge, etc. In the moment, everything *feels* right, but when you look at it, you might notice a glaring mistake. That was me in A3S. I thought everything I was doing was perf and was confused how I wasn't hitting x. I recorded, rewatched, and found a segment where I just stopped attacking to handle a mechanic. Fixed that next time, suddenly my dps was where I wanted it to be.

I'll throw on my 210 gear tomorrow and hit the A5S dummy again to make sure I'm not crazy, but I know for a fact that I cleared it before getting my Sephirot weapon. So having it and failing has to be something bigger than gear.

I know this because the first thing I did when getting the Sephirot weapon was hit the A6S dummy, since that's the one I was trying to clear at the time.

well there was a glaring problem, i was trying to squeeze out 3 geir instead of 2 - i guess i was using 1 without thinking about it so i was confused as how i couldn't get 2/b4b; missing that part, the b4b placement seemed really weird, cause i'd loose botd if i tried, or b4b would expire before i could get another geir, off. I kept thinking i need more SS, but 2.4 is ok, though it's reeally tight, so i'll try to get a little more SS for safety.
i got up to 1525 now at least.

[JackFross]

Without optimizing for a 3-minute parse, I pulled ~1450 with 18% crit rate at i210 using the Brionac on A5S and fell ~2% short, no food or potions.

Changing nothing but the weapon, I went to 1512 (21% crit), killing it with ~2-3s to spare, including at the end where I accidentally did ID>ID>Dis because I'm a scrub. :B

So, if you're failing to kill the A5S dummy with the 220 spear, you're doing something wrong. I KNOW we're talking about dummy parses and my example was of a raid fight, but the fact remains that you're not gonna notice just how long you're sitting on one skill or another unless you actually record yourself and watch.

And now, with my current gear (seen here) I'm failing the A7S dummy by <1% with Flint Caviar and X-Pots ;_; One run I was at 1710 according to magic, but it wasn't enough to kill it in time, apparently. If I actually sit down and try and maximize a 3-minute parse, I could probably consistently down it.