How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Nominous]

What is the DPS benefit of 2 Geirskoguls per BfB (when applicable)? Let's say over the course of a longer (full uptime-ish) fight, one person manages this relationship, but the other doesn't. What would the difference between their DPS be?

[MiniTyra]

What is the DPS benefit of 2 Geirskoguls per BfB (when applicable)? Let's say over the course of a longer (full uptime-ish) fight, one person manages this relationship, but the other doesn't. What would the difference between their DPS be?

I can't calculate it in terms of DPS, but it's approximately an additional 1PPS.

[Radacci]

Hey, My DRG is 214, and i'm doing maybe 1450dps:ish on SSS A5S; need 1486 to break it. FC NIN gets like 1550 and tells me i should be higher than NIN. are DRG supposed to be stronger than NIN? cause i can't see how i would possibly be able to increase my DPS by 100+, aside from getting multiple ilv230 pieces. I have seph spear, and bought slip helm and eikon boots, should i be doing like 1600dps?

[zeth07]

Hey, My DRG is 214, and i'm doing maybe 1450dps:ish on SSS A5S; need 1486 to break it. FC NIN gets like 1550 and tells me i should be higher than NIN. are DRG supposed to be stronger than NIN? cause i can't see how i would possibly be able to increase my DPS by 100+, aside from getting multiple ilv230 pieces. I have seph spear, and bought slip helm and eikon boots, should i be doing like 1600dps?

I'm at 212 and failed it at 3-4%, which the Stone Sky Sea calculator puts me at 1,440dps. But I do NOT have Sephirot EX weapon and I did not use food or pots. So I don't know if +1 WD will equal out to about the same dps increase but I'm still not close to 1485. I actually failed it at 4% previously before I even got any of the Midas drops, so it seems odd that even 3 new pieces didn't help my dps that much besides maybe 1 extra percent.


I asked if any other dps in my FC beat the test and I believe it was a MCH, then I asked if they used food and pots and they said no. They need to do 1286 apparently, but since it is relative to the job I don't know if that is an excuse for why I'm somehow not able to beat it but they can. I feel like I'm doing everything correctly.

For further reference:
- Weapon = 210 Brionac
- Head = 210 Esoterics
- Body = 210 Esoterics
- Hands = 220 Midan (no melds)
- Waist = 210 Esoterics
- Legs = 210 Mistbreak (+37 acc, +34 crit, +49 det, +78 skl spd)
- Feet = 220 Midan Boots (no melds)
- Necklace = 210 Esoterics
- Earrings = 210 Mistbreak (+15 crit, +16 det, +32 skl spd)
- Bracelet = 210 Esoterics
- Ring 1 = 210 Esoterics
- Ring 2 = 220 Midan Ring (no melds)

I never did the previous Savage so I can't min/max and this all puts me way over the presumed acc cap for A5S which sure isn't helping me any.

I tried to switch out my Mistbreak legs for Esoteric legs for less acc and more crit but it didn't seem to make a noticeable difference.

Acc = 729
Crit = 718
Det = 412
Skl Spd = 693

[Radacci]

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well the HP of dummy is based on job, so his dummy got even less HP, so he needs less DPS to clear it, but does 100dps more, so he's quite a lot stronger. I had seph wep, he had 210 wep, and still was at around 1550. Now he got seph wep, and several 220 melded pieces, so he's probably 1600+ at this time.
Even after i got seph wep, 230 helm, 220 boots, it didn't change my DPS by much.
i'm not using pots or food, no melds. It's probably more micro managing rotation, but i don't know if i can squeeze out 100 more dps by that.

I'm at 212 and failed it at 3-4%, which the Stone Sky Sea calculator puts me at 1,440dps. But I do NOT have Sephirot EX weapon and I did not use food or pots. So I don't know if +1 WD will equal out to about the same dps increase but I'm still not close to 1485. I actually failed it at 4% previously before I even got any of the Midas drops, so it seems odd that even 3 new pieces didn't help my dps that much besides maybe 1 extra percent.

ya it's basically same for me - it's just a few points of DPS increase, and i'm still stuck at 3-5% at A5S SSS, before and after upgrades.

[JackFross]

All things equal, a DRG should beat out a NIN in a straight dps race by ~5-10% or so. If he's rocking significantly better gear, it'll be easy for him to edge you out. If he's got a WAR supporting him so he doesn't have to Dancing Edge, he'll close that gap. In those solo parses, though, there's no party buff or party support, just you on the dummy.

It's also possible that you had an unlucky run and he got a really lucky one. I killed the A5S dummy at i210 with ~2-3 seconds to spare, so it's also possible you're missing something significant or just not doing the rotation properly at one point or another.

[Nominous]

It's also possible that you had an unlucky run and he got a really lucky one. I killed the A5S dummy at i210 with ~2-3 seconds to spare, so it's also possible you're missing something significant or just not doing the rotation properly at one point or another.

I'm in a similar-ish situation where I think my average is around 1500 even with a Sephirot weapon and a couple 220 accessories. Quite concerned that there's literally nothing I can do to increase that DPS, even though I know higher CAN be done.

I fully understand almost everything that can be done to increase DPS as DRG. Advanced Opener. 2 GK per BfB. Life Surge on the next Full-Thrust or 4th. The skeleton rotation is hard to mess up. I don't know what else I can do to squeeze out this extra 50+ dps that people are doing, unless it's just HQ pots or better gear (I'm not BiS).

[JackFross]

If you're unsure what's going on, record yourself and play it back. When you do, you'll be able to point out things such as a cooldown being held for x gcds or you delaying a gcd at a certain point, screwing up with power surge, etc. In the moment, everything *feels* right, but when you look at it, you might notice a glaring mistake. That was me in A3S. I thought everything I was doing was perf and was confused how I wasn't hitting x. I recorded, rewatched, and found a segment where I just stopped attacking to handle a mechanic. Fixed that next time, suddenly my dps was where I wanted it to be.

I'll throw on my 210 gear tomorrow and hit the A5S dummy again to make sure I'm not crazy, but I know for a fact that I cleared it before getting my Sephirot weapon. So having it and failing has to be something bigger than gear.

I know this because the first thing I did when getting the Sephirot weapon was hit the A6S dummy, since that's the one I was trying to clear at the time.

[Nominous]

If you're unsure what's going on, record yourself and play it back. When you do, you'll be able to point out things such as a cooldown being held for x gcds or you delaying a gcd at a certain point, screwing up with power surge, etc. In the moment, everything *feels* right, but when you look at it, you might notice a glaring mistake. That was me in A3S. I thought everything I was doing was perf and was confused how I wasn't hitting x. I recorded, rewatched, and found a segment where I just stopped attacking to handle a mechanic. Fixed that next time, suddenly my dps was where I wanted it to be..

Well, I'm talking about dummy parses. Which is why it's all the more confusing as to how I can't hit any higher. It's a perfect environment, with decent latency. Maybe it's because I didn't use a pot in my most recent ones.

[Radacci]

If you're unsure what's going on, record yourself and play it back. When you do, you'll be able to point out things such as a cooldown being held for x gcds or you delaying a gcd at a certain point, screwing up with power surge, etc. In the moment, everything *feels* right, but when you look at it, you might notice a glaring mistake. That was me in A3S. I thought everything I was doing was perf and was confused how I wasn't hitting x. I recorded, rewatched, and found a segment where I just stopped attacking to handle a mechanic. Fixed that next time, suddenly my dps was where I wanted it to be.

I'll throw on my 210 gear tomorrow and hit the A5S dummy again to make sure I'm not crazy, but I know for a fact that I cleared it before getting my Sephirot weapon. So having it and failing has to be something bigger than gear.

I know this because the first thing I did when getting the Sephirot weapon was hit the A6S dummy, since that's the one I was trying to clear at the time.

well there was a glaring problem, i was trying to squeeze out 3 geir instead of 2 - i guess i was using 1 without thinking about it so i was confused as how i couldn't get 2/b4b; missing that part, the b4b placement seemed really weird, cause i'd loose botd if i tried, or b4b would expire before i could get another geir, off. I kept thinking i need more SS, but 2.4 is ok, though it's reeally tight, so i'll try to get a little more SS for safety.
i got up to 1525 now at least.