How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[rickyguo]

Point taken. Sounds like this is the consensus. I've included Sunny's 697 Skill Speed BiS arrangement up on the main page.

For the record, though, I'd still recommend against 660+ Skill Speed in A1S, since passing this threshold should definitely screw up one's Geirskogul management at some point before the first jump. That said, it should be a total non-issue for A2S-A4S.

pretty sure that his 697 skillspeed set isn't an actual thing

take the low ss set and swap the weapon to brionic and I think you have the best set via stat weight and it's probably more legit as you trade like 50 skillspeed 10 useless acc for 60 det

[JoelStrife]

New lancer here and soon to be Dragoon..

I've always tanked in MMO's but feel the need to get involved with the damage dishing side of things

[SunnyHirose]

Well, you gotta understand, I'm judging DPS as DPS (from simulation) and saying the weights aren't helpful in evaluating such extreme sets because the actual weights fluctuate too wildly. They fluctuate too wildly because the amounts you can stack can be so very different, and due to the untamed horses that are exponential crit and self-defeating ss, if the two sets you're comparing aren't in the same ballpark crit/ss-wise, the weights just don't even hold for comparing the two. Weights are only valid relative to and close to a given gearset.

Puro gave up on BLM weights for a reason; yeah, you can generate the weights no problem, but BLM was (and remains) very speed-sensitive given you have an accurate assessment of the actual number you're interested in (DPS) and can stack amounts that mean anything. Right now, we DRGs can definitely do that.

Anyway, so I double-checked my work with Dervy since he had some insane values for crit, and it turns out I screwed up auto-attack crit estimation, and that such high weights currently reflect the insanity of reality! Now my simulations yield values around .14_ for Determination and .17_ for Critical on most gear sets, and I get .10_ to .12_ for Skill Speed--the higher weights for SS basically come from sets with low values of skill speed (closing up the 24s HT/Phlebotomize gap with impunity), and the lower weights basically come from reasonable or ridiculously high values (aggravating the clipping of CT but still a net DPS gain).

Although my simulation has been very close to actual measurements the few times I've tested it against my own gear, I don't want to say it's even remotely conclusive until I have a clearer picture of how SS affects DoT potency (and ideally, the exact formula for skill speed, and I do mean exact, 3 sig figs is not enough, raaagh!).

As for what values of skill speed are too high or too low... I think the 480s are too low. So yeah, doesn't matter a bunch, if you ask me. After all, A4S Just Kills You™.

[Aiurily]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RL7Z

was the set i head in mind from a long time ago; 2.41 gcd. some people would swap the weapons out (31 crit 71 sksp vs 97 det) for more sksp, personal preference

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RL84

what ariyala spits out if you lock pipira

[Thendiel]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RL7Z

was the set i head in mind from a long time ago; 2.41 gcd. some people would swap the weapons out (31 crit 71 sksp vs 97 det) for more sksp, personal preference

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RL84

what ariyala spits out if you lock pipira

The second set gives me a secondary stat weighting of +135.806 strength, which is about 2 points lower than Dervy's sets.

The first set is actually better than any other combination we've talked about over these last dozen posts or so, if one doesn't mind the very low SS; it weighs in at 139.634 strength from secondary stats. If you swap in the Brionac, it becomes identical to the set that Jack linked to a few posts ago, which gives us +138.557 strength.

[JackFross]

Dervy presents you with the following:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RL7H

\o/ Tell him I said thanks! That's actually really helpful. He's a wizard of gear sets something fierce. Now I'm accidentally smart for buying the wrist!

Even with no upgrade items spent at all and just those 4 drops, the set sits at 595 SS along with 652 ACC, both good enough to use. C:

The first set is actually better than any other combination we've talked about over these last dozen posts or so, if one doesn't mind the very low SS; it weighs in at 139.634 strength from secondary stats. If you swap in the Brionac, it becomes identical to the set that Jack linked to a few posts ago, which gives us +138.557 strength.

And yeah, I saw that set when I was messing with the "best" one that I linked. I didn't like the 579 SS and the Brio hit 900 crit on the nose, so I couldn't say no, because I'm a nerd for numbers.

[Sleigh]

If a 2.38 GCD messes with BotD, wouldn't a 2.39 or maybe even 2.40 GCD get screwed over if Fey Wind is used at the start of the fight?

[Thendiel]

If a 2.38 GCD messes with BotD, wouldn't a 2.39 or maybe even 2.40 GCD get screwed over if Fey Wind is used at the start of the fight?

Possibly. Like I mentioned, the ideal opener gives us a little bit of leeway for this problem, so I'd guess offhand that a low 2.39s GCD might become problematic with Selene or (God forbid) Arrow.

[Thendiel]

P.S. - I totally agree with your description of the limitations of stat weights, Sunny.

[crmzon]

Hi guys, I have 732 skill speed (2.35 gcd) at ilvl 204. I was wondering if the dps loss from high skill speed mentioned earlier is substantial enough to warrant gearing down.