How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Ninjah2r]

I wish dragoon had some kind of buff/stack management like monk lmao. Also, are they ever going to fix that awful animation lock on jump? I dont lag or anything but, you can get 'rektgoon' in some situations. Like very fucking hard.

[Sekundessounet]

I wish dragoon had some kind of buff/stack management like monk lmao. Also, are they ever going to fix that awful animation lock on jump? I dont lag or anything but, you can get 'rektgoon' in some situations. Like very fucking hard.

Learn the fight and when to pop your Jumps.

[Ninjah2r]

Learn the fight and when to pop your Jumps.

so far its the only thing to do lmfao, but se still needs to fix that damn animation lock. It's stupid as hell, same goes for lb.

[Erys]

so far its the only thing to do lmfao, but se still needs to fix that damn animation lock. It's stupid as hell, same goes for lb.

I honestly like the lock. Gives a sense of strategy to the class. It isn't that annoying imo.

[KidSerge]

I wish dragoon had some kind of buff/stack management like monk lmao. Also, are they ever going to fix that awful animation lock on jump? I dont lag or anything but, you can get 'rektgoon' in some situations. Like very fucking hard.

NEVER FORGET ORIGINAL ANIMATION LOCK o7

[JackFross]

I don't see why the animation lock is an issue. It doesn't hinder anything, and injects an element of strategy and forethought into an otherwise pretty straightforward class.

The part I hate is the positional tracking. The fact you can use Jump on a Gear/Piston across the puddle and take a tick of Dropsy despite landing on an enemy in a safe zone and standing in a safe zone yourself is nonsense.

One concern, though, the second B4B usually comes off CD around a 4th/Phelb, at least for me, delaying one GCD in the opener would push it to not catch that phleb, so it would be better to hold it until VT..

I never responded to this. Gonna put it under a cut since I ramble a lot...

Delaying the first B4B to just before Disembowel makes the second one come back just after Phlebotomize. There's no real reason to *not* use it right then for the True Thrust. It's obviously optimal to hold it and trade that TT for a Phleb, sure, but that would further delay the *next* one, too. Either way, this B4B being pushed back (even if you *don't* hold it for the Phlebotomize, which I honestly would not) will be a net gain in potency.

You trade Phlebotomize (410 potency) for a 4th hit (290 potency) which is a net loss of 120. In addition to this, though, your fourth Jump comes up just after the Chaos Thrust that this B4B catches. If you use it before Phlebotomize, you won't have Jump under B4B. If you use it *after*, you will. Jump is 260 potency (counting BotD), which means that, overall, you're *gaining* net potency under B4B, since 290+260 > 410. And that 410 is even weaker than the 550, since we're really comparing

1.3x(550x1.15x1.1) v 1.3x(170x1.15x1.1 + 240x1.15)
or, simplified
904.475 v 638.365

for a net gain of 266.11 potency. That compounds with the additional 2 potency gain from the first b4b. I'd have to extrapolate to a full rotation to see if it's overall a dps gain to keep it 1 gcd removed from the original placement in a parse of infinite length, but that gain of potency from 1 and 2 gives it a lot of leeway to be worse for the next few.

***Disclaimer***
My Jump usage in my rotation is as follows:
1. PS>Jump wrapped around first 4th hit.
2. Jump between VT>FT on my second FT combo.
3. PS>Jump wrapped around the 4th Heavy Thrust.
4. Jump after the second B4B CT.


****Bigger Disclaimer****
I haven't tested this yet, but using this method can drastically improve a Faust parse, too, since you could hold your second Power Surge to use it on the 4th Jump under B4B instead of using it on the third Jump, since you only get 4 Jumps in the fight. Think about the calculations above, only sub in 680 (since I know you probably don't wanna do the math, it's 1118.26).

To make it more clear, here's your total Jump Potency if you use B4B before ID in Faust:
1.3x1.15x1.1x(390) + 1.15*1.1x(390+2x260) = 1792.505

And here it is if you use B4B before Dis in Faust:
1.3x1.15x1.1x(2x390) + 1.15x1.1x(2x260) = 1940.51

[Erys]

The part I hate is the positional tracking. The fact you can use Jump on a Gear/Piston across the puddle and take a tick of Dropsy despite landing on an enemy in a safe zone and standing in a safe zone yourself is nonsense.

This so much, we basicaly sprint at double the speedwith an animation of jumping. Also, would like to jump out of combat. Like the jump ninjas get, but dragoon version. Jumping up high for no apparent reason should be a thing on the field XD

[Nyghtmarerobu]

This so much, we basicaly sprint at double the speedwith an animation of jumping. Also, would like to jump out of combat. Like the jump ninjas get, but dragoon version. Jumping up high for no apparent reason should be a thing on the field XD

Any sort of jump or movement skill all do the same thing. They count you as "Sliding" across the ground, rather than actually jumping over obstacles. So you go right through puddles and floor effects with any of them sadly. Aetherial Manipulate, Spineshatter, Dragonfire, Shukichi, Plunge. I don't think Jump is included, I could be wrong, since you end up at your starting position so its almost like you never left it, despite the animation having you fly toward and on top of the enemy.

[Erys]

Any sort of jump or movement skill all do the same thing. They count you as "Sliding" across the ground, rather than actually jumping over obstacles. So you go right through puddles and floor effects with any of them sadly. Aetherial Manipulate, Spineshatter, Dragonfire, Shukichi, Plunge. I don't think Jump is included, I could be wrong, since you end up at your starting position so its almost like you never left it, despite the animation having you fly toward and on top of the enemy.

Jump does the same, you can see your target circle moving from A to B to A. If it only had that effect, double the strat.

[whiskeybravo]

The part I hate is the positional tracking. The fact you can use Jump on a Gear/Piston across the puddle and take a tick of Dropsy despite landing on an enemy in a safe zone and standing in a safe zone yourself is nonsense.

I starting hating that in t10 with the charge puddles x.x

Thanks for the in-depth B4B explanation I am still kinda curious though, in like a4s when you have multiple breaks and downtime, I don't recall getting more than 2 B4Bs on one leg at a time (I might've, it was a long night x.x), so in a situation where it's mainly burst phases is it still better to hold B4B for an extra gcd?