How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[MiniTyra]

HT>[IR>BL]>ID>[BotD>B4B]>Dis>[Pot]>CT>[Leg+PS]>4th>[Jump]>P>[DFD]>TT>[SSD]>VT>[gsk+Life]>FT>4th>HT

From Dervy ->

I might try this. This may be exactly what I were missing to really push the Dragoons min/max'd rotation to another level of insanity. 1650+ DPS 3min hype!

[whiskeybravo]

In the opener, that initial ID is:
180 x 1.15 = 207
Since it's up after HT, but before Dis hits.

Whereas the second HT is:
170 x 1.15 x 1.1 = 215.05
Since it gets both HT and the Dis buffs.

Yea, I guess it does work out to about 2 potency more once you make it back around. One concern, though, the second B4B usually comes off CD around a 4th/Phelb, at least for me, delaying one GCD in the opener would push it to not catch that phleb, so it would be better to hold it until VT.. So.. You're delaying first 2 B4Bs by around 3 or 4 GCDs. Surely that's more than 2 potency loss.

Just playing devil's advocate here :3

[Ninjah2r]

Anyone know what Dervy's new rotation is? He put up a vid a week back that he could parse 1633 with party buff + food (dunno which one) + pots.

(I tried with 1 star hq food hq drac str potions, and 2 asts + 1 ninja + 1 mch, which got me 1805 and 1826, so fun XD).

and my second question is, how do I calculate stat weights for lets say the thordan wep and the relic, so I can compare? I mean multiplying the numbers is easy and all, but how do I see what is better for future refs? Kinda want to calculate on my own lmao

ty!

[CookieMonsta]

Yea, I guess it does work out to about 2 potency more once you make it back around. One concern, though, the second B4B usually comes off CD around a 4th/Phelb, at least for me, delaying one GCD in the opener would push it to not catch that phleb, so it would be better to hold it until VT.. So.. You're delaying first 2 B4Bs by around 3 or 4 GCDs. Surely that's more than 2 potency loss.

Just playing devil's advocate here :3

This is true, it's especially evident for me because with the Skillspeed the relic gives, the 2nd BFB is uncomfortably close to the tail end of the GCD before Phleb

[Zeviand]

Failure after first jump or before. 1018 is my deeps on first phase

DPS plummets when the boss jumps so to get better feedback we need to know if your 1018 was before first jump or after. If it was before, your numbers are a bit low with ilevel 204, if it was after the first jump, that number is pretty good for it being your first time.

At full i210 I hover at around 1500+ before that first jump, group comp is normally me (DRG), BRD, MNK, BLM, WHM, SCH but I've been clearing A1S since week one. Keep practicing and I'm sure you'll improve those numbers. Knowledge on the encounter helps tremendously so keep at it.

[Erys]

Numbers I likey

It was before first jump. Let's say I didn't trust our second healer and runned away for the prey and just waited away from the party with second wind and foresight on hand XD
The saddest part is that I was top, most of the tries. This one I got topped by smn, tho.

Once we get our definitive party and proggress is being made and a strat in common the numbers should rise out of coordination and less chaos in the battlefield. I hope so.

[MiniTyra]

It was before first jump. Let's say I didn't trust our second healer and runned away for the prey and just waited away from the party with second wind and foresight on hand XD
The saddest part is that I was top, most of the tries. This one I got topped by smn, tho.

Once we get our definitive party and proggress is being made and a strat in common the numbers should rise out of coordination and less chaos in the battlefield. I hope so.

That makes no sense. Why would you run away when you have prey? Panic is the biggest contribution to DPS loss.

[Erys]

That makes no sense. Why would you run away when you have prey? Panic is the biggest contribution to DPS loss.

I know, but sadly I mostly held accountable for myself and didn't want unnecessary dmg on some players that probably wouldn't mitigate or heal themselves. BLM, SMN, SCH and I were premade and I know they are capable. We were there just to soak mechanics into our brains and see what we can and can't do.

I'm that kind of player that doesn't trust randoms and is better safe than sorry. Once we get our group going, I know I can relay on all of my mates.

[CookieMonsta]

I know, but sadly I mostly held accountable for myself and didn't want unnecessary dmg on some players that probably wouldn't mitigate or heal themselves. BLM, SMN, SCH and I were premade and I know they are capable. We were there just to soak mechanics into our brains and see what we can and can't do.

I'm that kind of player that doesn't trust randoms and is better safe than sorry. Once we get our group going, I know I can relay on all of my mates.

A better way to deal with Prey instead of running away is to activate Keen Flurry and Blood Bath. You will alleviate the healer stress a LOT. Unless you thought Prey impact was an AoE.

[JackFross]

I know, but sadly I mostly held accountable for myself and didn't want unnecessary dmg on some players that probably wouldn't mitigate or heal themselves. BLM, SMN, SCH and I were premade and I know they are capable. We were there just to soak mechanics into our brains and see what we can and can't do.

I'm that kind of player that doesn't trust randoms and is better safe than sorry. Once we get our group going, I know I can relay on all of my mates.

The Hydrothermal Missile mechanic in A1 (normal AND savage) is a single-target attack that hits multiple times in succession. That's it. It's a strict healer mechanic. If you want to help the healers, just use Keen Flurry, Foresight, Bloodbath, and/or Second Wind, but almost never ever should any of these skills cause you to delay an offensive cd. The only case when they should is if you will die without popping Second Wind.

It does 0 splash damage. You should never not be attacking something in A1S. If at any time your GCD stops spinning and the boss is not in the air, you're handling something wrong and can optimize your rotation further.


I'll add that, at i209 with NIN who's on the 0.5 with me on main Opp, I'm generally 1500+ going into first jump, with food, but without potions. 1000 is honestly quite significantly low, especially for you gear. My first kill in i180-190 gear was 3 jumps at 999 dps.