How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Kahr]

I've only recently started playing with dragoon and noticed following the opener listed here that I consistently clip chaos thrust by at least 7 seconds. Is this normal? I'm talking through a 3 minute parse, not just on opener.

[SunnyHirose]

It is normal. Chaos Thrust's duration was designed for a different rotation, and with the forced disconnects that are commonplace in Heavensward encounters, you will likely come to appreciate the leeway anyhow.

[Sekundessounet]

Quick question : http://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/8842820/

This is my gear, and I will soon replace my weapon with the NidEX weapon or the 240 anima, but my skillspeed will drop at 560~, is it viable ? Or should I meld some SS materia to compensate ? (currently on A6S so can't have anything but accessories).

[Jonnycbad]

I noticed lately during my rotation (660 SS) that by the time IR is almost up for a second time, I'm up to IDC. The problem is, when I reach Chaos Thrust, I still have 5s on IR. This means both CT and Phlebotomize will miss out on IR. Do I just go through anyway? I know holding abilities for a buff is generally frowned upon, but would this be remedied if I lower my SS a bit?

[Sekundessounet]

You should try to lower your SS I think.

[SunnyHirose]

We're going to use a simplified potency-per-second (pps) model for this post; specific time periods are mathematically a different problem, and while cooldown usage optimization within a time period is technically a more difficult problem combinatorially, it's usually easier in practice since you only get so many uses per fight so you can basically look at the timeline and think, "hey, we can stack all these together at T-time and never be penalized for it".

Think of it this (overly simplified) way: if IR is a 5% buff for 7 GCDs (we're trying to stack the deck in favor of delaying, sometimes it's really only going to be 6), then it is worth (150+200+360+290+170+180+220)*.05 = 78.5 potency before buffs in the worst case, (200+360+290+170+180+220+530)*.05 = 97.5 delaying by one GCD, or (290+170+180+220+530+290+410)*.05 = 104.5 potency delaying by three GCDs.

That's 78.5/60 = +1.30833333 pps, 97.5/62.4 = +1.5625 pps, and 104.5/67.2 = +1.55505952 pps. So just one looks like a gain at first glance, right?

But we should also consider oGCDs that periodically sync with IR and auto-attacks. That's what gets you into trouble. We need to not lose 1.5625 - 1.30833333 = 0.25416667 PPS in the process!

So two alternative options for Leg Sweep, (130*2 + 130*1.05)/60 = 6.60833333 pps normally, (130*2 + 136.5)/62.4 = 6.35416667 delayed for one GCD, or 130*3/60 = 6.5 most of the times starting somewhere down the line. So we'll call that 6.60833333 - 6.5 = 0.10833333 pps lost... eventually. Yes, you might lap IR sometime after that, but I don't wanna think about it.

Next we consider IR synced with Power Surge + Jump, (260*1.5*1.05 + 260)/60 = 11.1583333 pps normally. The alternatives are to stretch to (260*1.5*1.05 + 260)/62.4 = 10.7291667 pps or lose IR for (260*1.5 + 260)/60 = 10.8333333. So, 11.1583333 - 10.8333333 = 0.325 pps lost once synchronization is lost.

Therefore, between just those, we have lost 0.325 + 0.10833333 = 0.43333333 pps if we let IR slide too far. I think that's conclusive enough. It'd take a while, and realistically you get to re-sync after forced downtimes in most fights, but stuff like this is why we don't hold stuff unless we have to.

[HoLoFoNo]

What was that thing about a 900 sks GS rotation? Is it just the extra GS after the 2nd Impulse combo? Or does it occur more often? Also is it worth it, considering it ruins all CD timings.

[jack891]

I noticed lately during my rotation (660 SS) that by the time IR is almost up for a second time, I'm up to IDC. The problem is, when I reach Chaos Thrust, I still have 5s on IR. This means both CT and Phlebotomize will miss out on IR. Do I just go through anyway? I know holding abilities for a buff is generally frowned upon, but would this be remedied if I lower my SS a bit?

you must be popping IR in the wrong place during the opener, ive ran with over 700 ss and never had this issue

[Journeyz]

Is there a rule of thumb for consistently doing two geirskoguls per blood for blood? The picture on the first page is helpful for my opener but once into the middle of the fight, I tend to lose track of which botd cycle I'm on. I'm trying to find a way to glance at my timers and then decide what to do from there. Any tips are appreciated

[CookieMonsta]

Is there a rule of thumb for consistently doing two geirskoguls per blood for blood? The picture on the first page is helpful for my opener but once into the middle of the fight, I tend to lose track of which botd cycle I'm on. I'm trying to find a way to glance at my timers and then decide what to do from there. Any tips are appreciated

If you can stack BoTD to 30 sec and the BfB is less than 8 sec away, this is a good timing to setup the double Geirskogul under BfB