How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Judge_Xero]

With all the talk of accuracy, I thought it might be appropriate to post some testing I've done on the subject.

http://www.axiom-ffxiv.net/forum/m/3...post/last#last

Feel free to use any of the information provided. Don't mind the ACC @ i160 part as I was trying to find a pattern between accuracy and calculated ilvl of content to see if there was a way to predict accuracy requirements for future content.

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I've heard that magic users can get away with as little as 593 accuracy, so calculated Frontal should be 697.

[Lewikun]

Hi im a lurker here.. I just want to know as drg ilvl228 is 1200-1300 dps in a7s is bad? I take dps/purple jails in our group to get our monk hitting the boss all the time.. I still havent cleared a7s tho

[Jeycht]

Hi im a lurker here.. I just want to know as drg ilvl228 is 1200-1300 dps in a7s is bad? I take dps/purple jails in our group to get our monk hitting the boss all the time.. I still havent cleared a7s tho

I guess you have a i230 weap. So yep 1200-1300 isn't great. You can push to 1400 minimum to be "decent". I have never end the fight alive (meh nobody love me).
My first down 1250dps (~1400 before dying 7% and raise for 2 last % T.T...) was with i226 i230 weap. I did purple jail too.
I don't give you fflog dps I don't know how/what they all do (some skip mechanics) but mine are low for sure. tbh I'm not great in fight so my dps is probably a perfect exemple of "lowest drg eu" ahah.

Lowest drg have 1120 without dying, everything is possible !

[JackFross]

Hi im a lurker here.. I just want to know as drg ilvl228 is 1200-1300 dps in a7s is bad? I take dps/purple jails in our group to get our monk hitting the boss all the time.. I still havent cleared a7s tho

It's pretty low, yeah. You should be able to push 1400+ assuming you have the 230 spear on you and proper itemization. And 1400 would still be below average. You should be aiming for 1500+ ideally. You're probably just doing silly things like wasting ogcd attacks on Sturm/Panzer dolls, not properly utilizing Elusive Jump, and popping cooldowns for things other than jail dolls and the boss. If you're holding things for jails, you're also doing things wrong, as they're spaced in such a way that you shouldn't need to worry on the first set. Second set is a bit trickier, based on heart phase push, and third set tends to be pretty consistent for my group in timing.

I hold nothing of note for my jails and never have an issue so long as I remember to push all of my proper buttons. Doing what someone told me a few pages back, I pushed 1570 with two jails in our first clear tonight with my 230 spear. I average 1610+ when I get 1 or none, but 1500 should still be a relatively simple baseline to hit, I feel, even if you take three jails.

[Lewikun]

Yeah with 230 spear. My current stat is 693 acc 1100 crit 443 det 690ss(too high i know). I got the timing for jails when and what to pop so i dont save ogcd then i throw 2x spears when 8 bombs arrive. I use elusive jump after killing padlocks or beginning of the pull. The only buff ii save is BOTD and IR is for the 2nd set of dps jail after that i just go ham and pop ogcd whenever off cd(not gsk ofc). I dont know whats else is there to improve in my view..

Sadly i cant upload any logs or videos since my internet is just 2mbps/.8mpbs(down/up) but ping is 70-80.

I dont know if this helps but i kill a8s dummy in 2mins 57 sec. Im on ps4 so this is the only way for me to gauge it. In raid my friend tells me what numbers i have

[Jeycht]

If you're holding things for jails, you're also doing things wrong, as they're spaced in such a way that you shouldn't need to worry on the first set. Second set is a bit trickier, based on heart phase push, and third set tends to be pretty consistent for my group in timing.

I hold nothing of note for my jails and never have an issue so long as I remember to push all of my proper buttons. Doing what someone told me a few pages back

What do you mean by "If you're holding things for jails, you're also doing things wrong"? gcd are back in right time, you use them?
Or you don't need ogcd ?
Can you link that post? That could maybe help me for some details.

[Lewikun]

@Jeytch
I dont know if this helps in my experience whenever dps jail comes first i have JUMP,BOTD,IR already off cd when im inside. When it comes 2nd i think only JUMP,DFD is off cd I save bfb if that happens

[Jeycht]

@Jeytch
I dont know if this helps in my experience whenever dps jail comes first i have JUMP,BOTD,IR already off cd when im inside. When it comes 2nd i think only JUMP,DFD is off cd I save bfb if that happens

yep same. btw I have check on fflog and have my answer, I almost do same thing than JackFross in first 5min, I guess I screw some thing later bleh. Anyway I can't help out more than giving my dps o/

Edit: or not I hold some buff too much. I gonna have to trust my healer a bit more maybe ahah. (deadly double sparkle or beam with bfb yet I use healing cd more often than Jack... damned)
... and manage some details a bit more.

[JackFross]

You really shouldn't need to hold much of anything. The only sticking point is that I don't know how to handle the second jail set, since my NIN does that one. My ogcds are all over the place during that phase > merry-go-round > second heart phase and then I re-align everything going into last jail set so I'm ready if I'm going in.

I always have BotD, IR, PS+Jump, and I usually use 1 gsk and/or Mercy Stroke. If I have DFD in there, I use it as well. The only ogcd I never use on the Alarum is SSD, since I hold that to jump back to the boss after. I usually use Second Wind if I get the death beam or if I get the beam during the heart phase. I'll also pop Bloodbath in the latter scenario, since that phase we're a lot shakier on.

As far as the post I listened to, it's this one right here.

[JackFross]

After a few runs of testing you can use Jump on the add if you don't have to do purple for the 1st set. It'll be back up O:

I usually use it on the boss during the Zoomdoom cast, even if I have to do purple. It's back during the Jail anyway, with Power Surge. But yeah.