How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[JackFross]

All current reports have been saying 699-700. The only person I've seen say otherwise was the person on the previous page of this thread. I'm still aiming 705 because it feels a bit safer.

[aleph_null]

All current reports have been saying 699-700. The only person I've seen say otherwise was the person on the previous page of this thread. I'm still aiming 705 because it feels a bit safer.

Just to clarify, I'm just saying that I've seen posts like:

Frontal cap is 703-705 for A8S

(taken from an accu thread in the tank subforum)

and also some similar posts on reddit that I don't really feel like searching for. Personally I haven't even stepped foot inside A7S, let alone A8S, so I don't really have anything to report. XD

[Judge_Xero]

With all the talk of accuracy, I thought it might be appropriate to post some testing I've done on the subject.

http://www.axiom-ffxiv.net/forum/m/3...post/last#last

Feel free to use any of the information provided. Don't mind the ACC @ i160 part as I was trying to find a pattern between accuracy and calculated ilvl of content to see if there was a way to predict accuracy requirements for future content.

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I've heard that magic users can get away with as little as 593 accuracy, so calculated Frontal should be 697.

[SunnyHirose]

With all the talk of accuracy, I thought it might be appropriate to post some testing I've done on the subject.

http://www.axiom-ffxiv.net/forum/m/3...post/last#last

Two things: seems plausible even if it's not proven, because the scaling of stats that are 354 at level 60 are actually at a base of 858, so 22 of something at level 50 (341) ~= 55 at level 60 (858). Of course, one of the points where SE has made this difficult is that there's mysterious rounding magic behind everything anyway.

Other thing: Maybe not what you want to hear after doing thousands and thousands of swings, but the CI is still disappointing at n=3000. So for example, 94.5% / 3000 swings means there is a 5% chance it is outside the range 93.68% to 95.32%.

One more thing: no seriously, good work.

[Judge_Xero]

Two things: seems plausible even if it's not proven, because the scaling of stats that are 354 at level 60 are actually at a base of 858, so 22 of something at level 50 (341) ~= 55 at level 60 (858). Of course, one of the points where SE has made this difficult is that there's mysterious rounding magic behind everything anyway.

Other thing: Maybe not what you want to hear after doing thousands and thousands of swings, but the CI is still disappointing at n=3000. So for example, 94.5% / 3000 swings means there is a 5% chance it is outside the range 93.68% to 95.32%.

One more thing: no seriously, good work.

Thank you very much for the input. I would have liked to have 10k + hits for each range for more accurate results, but @ various 3k rounds it plateaued within the same range and within the estimated range for Front/Flank/Rear. I hope it is close enough to make the information useable. (because I would be lucky to run 10 hours of AA without getting DC'd at some point lol).

I'm thinking it's either 595/699 or 596/700. There's been a reported miss at 698. Myself and Hakmatic have not missed thus far at 699.

Edit: Thank you for your hard work. Dervy with greatly appreciate this for healer DPS weights. Mind if he uses your works and references it, so long he links the source and gives you credit?

Absolutely he can use it. More important than the work I did is to verify if it works, I think that would definitely help with that.

[MiniTyra]

With all the talk of accuracy, I thought it might be appropriate to post some testing I've done on the subject.

http://www.axiom-ffxiv.net/forum/m/3...post/last#last

Feel free to use any of the information provided. Don't mind the ACC @ i160 part as I was trying to find a pattern between accuracy and calculated ilvl of content to see if there was a way to predict accuracy requirements for future content.

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I've heard that magic users can get away with as little as 593 accuracy, so calculated Frontal should be 697.

I'm thinking it's either 595/699 or 596/700. There's been a reported miss at 698. Myself and Hakmatic have not missed thus far at 699.

Edit: Thank you for your hard work. Dervy with greatly appreciate this for healer DPS weights. Mind if he uses your works and references it, so long he links the source and gives you credit?

[MariaNyan]

I'm thinking it's either 595/699 or 596/700. There's been a reported miss at 698. Myself and Hakmatic have not missed thus far at 699.

Edit: Thank you for your hard work. Dervy with greatly appreciate this for healer DPS weights. Mind if he uses your works and references it, so long he links the source and gives you credit?

For Healer/Caster there is from my side confirmed no misses @ 594, blm forum stated it at 593, wouldn't rely to much on exact numbers, prob settle it down to 700 to be safe.

[Lewikun]

Hi im a lurker here.. I just want to know as drg ilvl228 is 1200-1300 dps in a7s is bad? I take dps/purple jails in our group to get our monk hitting the boss all the time.. I still havent cleared a7s tho

[Jeycht]

Hi im a lurker here.. I just want to know as drg ilvl228 is 1200-1300 dps in a7s is bad? I take dps/purple jails in our group to get our monk hitting the boss all the time.. I still havent cleared a7s tho

I guess you have a i230 weap. So yep 1200-1300 isn't great. You can push to 1400 minimum to be "decent". I have never end the fight alive (meh nobody love me).
My first down 1250dps (~1400 before dying 7% and raise for 2 last % T.T...) was with i226 i230 weap. I did purple jail too.
I don't give you fflog dps I don't know how/what they all do (some skip mechanics) but mine are low for sure. tbh I'm not great in fight so my dps is probably a perfect exemple of "lowest drg eu" ahah.

Lowest drg have 1120 without dying, everything is possible !

[JackFross]

Hi im a lurker here.. I just want to know as drg ilvl228 is 1200-1300 dps in a7s is bad? I take dps/purple jails in our group to get our monk hitting the boss all the time.. I still havent cleared a7s tho

It's pretty low, yeah. You should be able to push 1400+ assuming you have the 230 spear on you and proper itemization. And 1400 would still be below average. You should be aiming for 1500+ ideally. You're probably just doing silly things like wasting ogcd attacks on Sturm/Panzer dolls, not properly utilizing Elusive Jump, and popping cooldowns for things other than jail dolls and the boss. If you're holding things for jails, you're also doing things wrong, as they're spaced in such a way that you shouldn't need to worry on the first set. Second set is a bit trickier, based on heart phase push, and third set tends to be pretty consistent for my group in timing.

I hold nothing of note for my jails and never have an issue so long as I remember to push all of my proper buttons. Doing what someone told me a few pages back, I pushed 1570 with two jails in our first clear tonight with my 230 spear. I average 1610+ when I get 1 or none, but 1500 should still be a relatively simple baseline to hit, I feel, even if you take three jails.