Shadow wall needs an additional effect.

[MeeYow]

Correct Wings, I am assuming full on defence hence the comment on storms path.

I am working on the pretence that there is still a valid statement to make regardless of meta if one class has higher long term reductions AND buster mitigation in full out defence AND greater offence in full out offence that serious changes need to be made.

According to my prelim numbers using IB on cooldown is about 7% mitigation (aka about 33% uptime after infuriate/zerk etc on the 2.4s GCD, I think the numbers actually come out closer to 40% uptime after those, accounting for Fracture and the IB cooldowns themselves). So using storms path and stance independent cooldowns would still give WAR level mitigation with PLDs cooldowns. Of course WARs don't do use path in practice because they have more useful options.

Which leads to the valid argument 'this matches PLD but they chose not to because they have even better things they can do!'

Basically the aim of my calcs are to shed light on the 'but PLD has much better mitigation' misconception, since only tank busters can be theorycrafted quickly.

Long term mitigation isn't hard it just takes a long time to type in all the numbers and make good approximations for things like thrill/convalescence which combos make e an ffective mitigation cooldown by raising both the healing received and HP pool, which PLD and DRK cannot do, calculating in the long term effects of conv for the other classes is not as easy as I am not as familiar with healer numbers.

Could take the time to theorycraft approximate dps values for each class in each case as well, but seeing as live letter is in 5 days the willpower is wearing a bit thin :3

[ArdorGrey]

Correct Wings, I am assuming full on defence hence the comment on storms path.

I am working on the pretence that there is still a valid statement to make regardless of meta if one class has higher long term reductions AND buster mitigation in full out defence AND greater offence in full out offence that serious changes need to be made.

There's two problems with this:

1: You're trying to work the math to suit your argument, of course it's going to work out. Someone else could write up a counter if they wanted to invest an equal amount of time.

2: being able to maximize offense and defense is great but war always does so at opportunity cost. There is something to be said for classes that not only don't have to make on the fly adjustments mid battle, but can also push most of their defense while maintaining most of their offense simultaneously. Not that pld is really in this situation atm, but drk is. Not to mention having defenses on hand as instant OGCD's that don't require a target.

[MeeYow]

There's two problems with this:

1: You're trying to work the math to suit your argument, of course it's going to work out. Someone else could write up a counter if they wanted to invest an equal amount of time.

2: being able to maximize offense and defense is great but war always does so at opportunity cost. There is something to be said for classes that not only don't have to make on the fly adjustments mid battle, but can also push most of their defense while maintaining most of their offense simultaneously. Not that pld is really in this situation atm, but drk is. Not to mention having defenses on hand as instant OGCD's that don't require a target.

No don't worry. I'm not.
I described my reasoning for typing it up, the calcs I did before I made up my mind, you cannot comment on the calcs when you haven't seen them.
I am doing everything; single target physical, magical, mixed, groups of mobs of both types and mixed and with and without various optional debuffs and stances. The numbers are not tailored at all. (I am a research physicsist so I couldn't if I wanted to, that was drilled out of my years ago, mainly because someone always attempts a counter argument like that so you stop them before they happen, part of good experiment design. :3)

I covered opportunity cost with storms eye, when there is no direct comparison, if you can compare class A to an inferior rotation of class B and find class B better off, then you can comment on the non directly comparable scenario, of course if the results are the other way around the findings are almost completely inconclusive.

As for the second point, yes I am providing numbers and not situations for use, but situational abilities can be overestimated and set to zero eg Holmgang, the comfort margin is still there as far as WAR is concerned.

I don't want to derail this thread but I am happy to PM talk if you want to go talk.