More Horizontal Progression please

[Rankojp]

I tried reading through all of the prior posts, so I apologize if I missed someone already bringing this idea to the table. If horizontal progression or a hybrid of some sort was used, how about gear sets that once wearing the required pieces unlock bonus skills, not just attributes. I haven't really thought this through yet, but the idea seemed interesting and would be happy to hear peoples' thoughts.

[Ibi]

He is confusing 1.0 with 1.x lol to try to say that horizontal progression fails. I am trying to explain to him that 1.x Yoshida made had horizontal progression with a subscription which did really well.

Can you elaborate on 1.x's horizontal progression? What were the different events and reward structures?

Unfortunately I came back too late into 1.x to really get to do anything at end game.

[Nadirah]

Well, there's a reason why they reduced it from three dungeons to two. The only problem is nobody wants to see if the tradeoff will be worth it in the long run.

Considering its going to be clique-y airship stuff and gold saucer stuff that I'm not interested in, no, I don't feel it'll be worth it.

But that's just me. My FC has its airship crew. They'll be the ones doing the exploration stuff as well. Not getting excited over something I won't be doing anyway.

[Taei]

Can you elaborate on 1.x's horizontal progression? What were the different events and reward structures?

Unfortunately I came back too late into 1.x to really get to do anything at end game.

1.23 Had Raidgear, but it wasn't necessarily the best gear because you could also try your luck at triple or quadmelding materia ( much more painful than it is now, you lose both item and materia) Both AV and CC dropped Darklight which was the raid option. Relic was actually a difficult and rewarding task. Then also they released the White Ravens which were nice but then got nerfed in 2.0 (It had a very low regen tick on it)

So horizontal in the sense that crafting was actually useful for gearing up unless I missed something.

[RayneBoemir]

While I agree that a lot of players won't run old stuff as much, and that many players will just run the fastest/least annoying dungeon to get their tomes (I see this every time the week resets and I spam roulette and it's fractal every time for the most part). I wouldn't mind having old dungeons be level synched up to your level it would give the game more options. I know I would run those dungeons even if I had to wait longer than necessary

Off the top of my head I would run Tam Tara HM, Lost City, Pharos Sirius, Qarn HM, Aery, Vault.

Since when having more options hurt anyone? You can still run the same stuff you want to run, but let others run stuff that they enjoy being in. It would be an easy fix too just scale the hp and damage of the mobs and bosses.

[Nadirah]

Rayne, wow does that and it was neat the first time through, but kinda lame after.

And they're like, once a month event weekends.

[Reinha]

They did. They picked the demographic that likes doing a variety.

This is spot on. For someone who likes to do a roulette for eso, craft while queuing, gather a little, do a few daily clan marks/quests/turn-ins, run a normal mode raid for alt gear, visit the gold saucer, plan a new glamour, do a map, queue for pvp, check challenge log, use up some leve allowances, level up alts and go hunting, it's pretty easy to lose theirself in the game for hours.

One of the reasons why WoW got so popular was because they offered all kinds of content. Nowadays they seem to be focusing on only raid content (which is still exceptionally good albeit released too infrequently) and mindless grinds, which are fun in moderation but not when that's all there is to do. I'm glad FFXIV is still choosing variety over one or two aspects. It means I don't have to spend hundreds of euros on different games to dabble in and instead I can just play this one.

[FizzleofHyperion]

Why is this thread not flagged with a crown for the devs to peep into but a thread about how cool the soundtrack is and getting a fat cash plush toy is? Arent we all discussing stuff here to help improve the game?

[Ultimatecalibur]

Why is this thread not flagged with a crown for the devs to peep into but a thread about how cool the soundtrack is and getting a fat cash plush toy is? Arent we all discussing stuff here to help improve the game?

A crown only means that someone from SE posted in it. They may be watching this thread, but because of various reasons want to avoid making comments.

[Xeonerable_Mizu]

And might I add, camping for 2+ hours in hopes of getting that drop, meant you had an item that would last for a very long time, and get a lot of use from it. Over years worth of use, not just I beat Alex regular I got my body peice tokens, and a week later that body peice is avg and damn near useless even though it took me 4 weeks to get it!

Working real hard to camp NM's to upgrade my Law gear to 180 for it to get replaced the second i step in Alex normal, that hard worked upgraded jewelry was outdated within days!! Days!! You know how fast I had to run to those NM's before they died, how I had to keep my ear to the linkshells, and the area shouts... I spent a lot of hours doing that kind of camping too, but I don't use that gear anymore do I? What's the difference?

This. The gear became obsolete so fast honestly what's even the point of the 180 gear nowThis. The gear became obsolete so fast honestly what's even the point of the 180 gear now when you can gear alts in 190 alex gear? what's the point of law? I've been sitting at 2000 law for forever now and I've already geared at least two more classes without it. I wish I had something to work for like we did in XI but then I remember what they did to the relics and it makes me weary of dropping millions customizing my very own masterpiece for it to be outclassed for some P.O.S dungeon drop that I never used for more than 2 levels.