More Horizontal Progression please

[Sandpark]

@karateorangutang
The MSQ is and has been used to introduce casuals to endgame mechanics somewhat, fates do this too, they alternate between different trash mobs and bosses.

In FFXI bards and thieves pulled mostly. I know some players who couldn't sneak by enemies or not a pull a link and some who could pull or sneak by enemies when it seemed impossible to do. I don't equate twitch with pulling but more about clever timing.(You watch enemy movement patterns then predict the perfect time to pull or sneak by)

In context it adds dynamism to gameplay, but is not always wise to use in every aspect of a game.

I referenced GTA only to compare hardcore and casual/midcore content in another game.

[Hyrist]

People are getting rather hot under the collar here for no real good reason. Some of these arguments will be met, others won't. I think it's important to realize what's not changing here, which is vertical progression. It's here to stay and we're not going to see it change anytime soon.

As far as horizontal elements to our progression? We're almost guaranteed a degree that over time. But keep in mind human limitations. The process will be slow, and there will be lulls, and you won't get exactly or everything you want. Period. Relax, and don't use straw-man, circular arguments or flat out misinformation to support your opinion. There's no need. Leave your honest desires as they are, and move on.

Some of the obsessive level hatred and support of this game is just unhealthy.

[karateorangutang]

In regards to it not concerning this game:

Maybe this should be in a different thread altogether then. I was pretty sure we were talking about FFXIV since we are in those forums.

In regards to SWG:

If servers are shutting down... then its a failure. Whether or not it was huge at one point is really irrelevant. Its failing because its not what an audience wants.

Concerning the success of MMO's

The WoW formula is guaranteed money. You take it and you twist it slightly and you walk away with a pay day. Ford doesn't change the Mustang randomly to make it more marketable. They keep it familiar to keep people comfortable. People like comfortable.

[Sandpark]

800+ hours into a game? #puke I couldn't imagine that. Put into perspective, granting an 8 hour sleep(lower spectrum bc you're not really exerting yourself) you have spent 2 months of your life playing this for...what? I have played FFXIV since launch and I have clocked 387 hours, over 3 years now. I wouldn't mind less tier gearing, but I don't have the time sink you seem to have, so I am glad this game is programmed the way it is. I should not be barred from doing Savage just bc I have a life and you seem to not have one.

I am no longer a hardcore player, haven't been for a few years now. I am sure he/she has a life. We all have hobbies, some more than others. I say regardless of what is, including playing games. If that is what lights you up, then do it. Better to die tomorrow doing what you love than die 100 years from now doing things you think normal people are supposed to love.

[karateorangutang]

@karateorangutang
The MSQ is and has been used to introduce casuals to endgame mechanics somewhat, fates do this too, they alternate between different trash mobs and bosses.

In FFXI bards and thieves pulled mostly. I know some players who couldn't sneak by enemies or not a pull a link and some who could pull or sneak by enemies when it seemed impossible to do. I don't equate twitch with pulling but more about clever timing.(You watch enemy movement patterns then predict the perfect time to pull or sneak by)

In context it adds dynamism to gameplay, but is not always wise to use in every aspect of a game.

I referenced GTA only to compare hardcore and casual/midcore content in another game.

Yeah I loved pulling in XI. I even agreed that it could be added to this game without to much changing to the current formula. I actually agree with this one. However, it still really only affects the tank in this meta because that is part of their jobs. Twitch wise I was more talking about the the actual gameplay in something like dark souls. It would be less accessible for some people.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

800+ hours into a game? #puke I couldn't imagine that. Put into perspective, granting an 8 hour sleep(lower spectrum bc you're not really exerting yourself) you have spent 2 months of your life playing this for...what? I have played FFXIV since launch and I have clocked 387 hours, over 3 years now. I wouldn't mind less tier gearing, but I don't have the time sink you seem to have, so I am glad this game is programmed the way it is. I should not be barred from doing Savage just bc I have a life and you seem to not have one.

I wouldn't bare you from doing boring content like Savage. If you want to throw your face at a single monster for little to no reward then go ahead. I don't find that fun.

I guarentee you I spend a lot more money on this game then you do. Although you all say subscribers matter, I don't think they do, dedicated players who are going to stay for 10 years and play a lot MATTER way more then any casual player.

I spent probably 2000$ on EQ2 alone.

Now, let me show you something.

This is one of my 3 characters on EQ2.



15353 HOURS SPENT "PLAYING" not subscribed not logged out, PLAYING the game.

"Time Sink?" Explain what you mean. If a game is fun and engaging and challenges you. It is not a chore to do. Its fun.

I also am quite offended. I do have a life and am well off thanks to my choices. I am not even in debt and going to college and have ways to make money.

Lately, I am working more then playing video games because they are "boring" and work is actually fun and pays good.

[Magis]

In regards to SWG:

If servers are shutting down... then its a failure. Whether or not it was huge at one point is really irrelevant. Its failing because its not what an audience wants.

lol, I don't think you know what a failure is. By your definition, every MMO is a failure because one day they will be shut down.

In regards to it not concerning this game:

Concerning the success of MMO's

The WoW formula is guaranteed money. You take it and you twist it slightly and you walk away with a pay day. Ford doesn't change the Mustang randomly to make it more marketable. They keep it familiar to keep people comfortable. People like comfortable.

Guaranteed to make money that's why every MMO that copied WoW lasted for years and made tons of ca.... OH WAIT:

Oh sorry, the current strategy is to just go F2P and turn the game into bigger trash.



WoW's design past TBC/WotLK (which ARR Xeroxed off of) is so good, that is why they haven't dropped in subs.... OH WAIT:



(Someone added the last part for WoD, but as of Aug, is at 5.6Mil: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/08/0...-to-56-million)

I love how people point to Post-TBC as some epitome of MMO grateness when WoW's been losing subs left and right.

[Hyrist]

Nektulos-Tuor

Could you do me a favor and not declare your opinions as fact.

"Boring" is a matter of opinion. Not something inalienable you can throw around like labeling a color, or a type of fruit. It's ok that you and others find it boring. Others do not, and you should respect that.

By the way, showing off your hours played on a video game is no badge of honor, it may actually be discrediting you at this point.

[Kaurie]

By the way, showing off your hours played on a video game is no badge of honor, it may actually be discrediting you at this point.

mhm it concerns me, because I have over 2000 hours

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Nektulos-Tuor

Could you do me a favor and not declare your opinions as fact.

"Boring" is a matter of opinion. Not something inalienable you can throw around like labeling a color, or a type of fruit. It's ok that you and others find it boring. Others do not, and you should respect that.

By the way, showing off your hours played on a video game is no badge of honor, it may actually discrediting you at this point.

Showing your experience in playing and knowing video games is discouraging. I see.

My Opinions are facts to me I mean they are "my" opinions, less you find zerging a boss fun. Seems to be the trend these days.

Maybe i'm wrong, maybe Zerging is really fun, and that is why its popular.