More Horizontal Progression please

[Nadirah]

So much of WoW is like an abandoned ghost town, it doesn't make sense to follow in its footsteps.

Because leveling via dungeons is faster than overland questing.

New Draenor is empty as well, mostly because the game has you sequestered into your garrison for most of it. The game drastically turned into a facebook game and it's ridiculous.

And I don't know about you, but in a game where leveling alts is possible, after about the 20th I don't want to do it anymore. I've purchased a grand total of 1 level 90. EQ2 even did it first, and they're cheaper! A LOT cheaper. But everyone blames WoW for starting it.-_-

[Gardes]

Because leveling via dungeons is faster than overland questing.

New Draenor is empty as well, mostly because the game has you sequestered into your garrison for most of it. The game drastically turned into a facebook game and it's ridiculous.

And I don't know about you, but in a game where leveling alts is possible, after about the 20th I don't want to do it anymore. I've purchased a grand total of 1 level 90. EQ2 even did it first, and they're cheaper! A LOT cheaper. But everyone blames WoW for starting it.-_-

I didn't know that this was something to brag about, or even something that doesn't get you ridiculed when you admit it.

[Nadirah]

I didn't know that this was something to brag about, or even something that doesn't get you ridiculed when you admit it.

It isn't. People act like it's the end of the world however.

When I got it, it became my 7th level 100. This is after 11 level 90 characters before. New server, new faction, needed for raiding. My options were: drop 60 bucks on it, or be hassled for two days to actually bothering to level a character of a class I already have. In fact, I actually debated on just transferring my existing druid, but to do that would have cost almost nearly as much($55 USD, 25 for transfer, 30 for faction change, no bundle discounts). Ultimately, it's my money, and I can do it if I want to.

That said, EQ2's are something like 30 or 35, they come with a boatload of AA points, and you get to actually play the character before you put money down for it... a try before you buy feature.

Edit: one of the "selling points" they used for Warlords of Draenor, btw, was the level 90 character boost they added. So everyone that bought that expansion got a "free" 90.

[Welsper59]

I didn't know that this was something to brag about, or even something that doesn't get you ridiculed when you admit it.

Microtransactions have become a common, though despised, thing these days. Had this been a decade ago, you would certainly be tarred and feathered for it. To me, I place these things in the same category as those who complain about something they have full control over not continuing payment for. You do with your money what you want. I'm old enough to know that with how entertainment works these days, there will practically always be something out there for me to throw my money at, and if any given source chooses to go with something I enjoy, my money goes to them for as long as I enjoy it.

[Fevelle]

"I don't like old content"
Well, it wasn't always old content, and it sure is new for new players and we got lots of them with this expansion and we'll get even more with the next because the jobs will be acessible from the beginning. Keeping old content relevant and adding horizontal progression has nothing to do with endgame raiders or hardcore something, it helps keeping the game alive as a whole. Stop looking at what you don't like and what content will please YOU, try looking more at the game itself.

Personally, I H-A-T-E hard content, hate extremes, I hate Alexander Savage and the damned exclusive mount it gives, I hate having to "progress" trough a fight because I don't have time or patience for that, I'm here to have fun, not a heart attack. Do I complain because they implemented it? No, because it serves and bring fun for players who play the game for that type of content.

It's a matter of being a little less selfish and think "what change we can do now to keep the game relevant years from now"?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I prefer *not* keeping content relevant. I don't like doing old stuff unless it's something I can solo because its outleveled.

Didn't kill Arthas until 2013. Does the fact it wasn't relevant bug me? No.

Was in a realm first kill of Trakanon back when I played EQ2. Did I care the loot was replaced with the next expansion? No.

I don't care that gear isn't relevant later, that it's replaced in a month. I want new things to kill, more often. The sheer thought of having to go camp a level 7 drop at 75 because I need it for some reason is repulsive.

Trakanon's loot was relevant for almost 4 years... lol

That shield effect and other effects worked until they finally nerfed it.


Ill Will from Shard of Hate is still relevant now. However its not much of an upgrade, not even 1% health.

How is standing around doing nothing for 2+ hours less tedious than actually actively doing something in hopes of a drop?

Standing around doing nothing is absolutely horrid and boring. However the loot needs to be worth that grind, right now its not.

[Fevelle]

Standing around doing nothing is absolutely horrid and boring. However the loot needs to be worth that grind, right now its not.

People stand around "doing nothing" in FFXIV for MONTHS because they get the top level equips and while some unsub until the next patch, some stay around "doing nothing" at Mor Dhona/Idyllshare. It's no different, and to be honest, it's even worse in FFXIV's case.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

People stand around "doing nothing" in FFXIV for MONTHS because they get the top level equips and while some unsub until the next patch, some stay around "doing nothing" at Mor Dhona/Idyllshare. It's no different, and to be honest, it's even worse in FFXIV's case.

There are 24 slots in EQ2, and the best in slot pieces were all about 2% drop rates. Each Expansion has about 12-15 new dungeons. With a contested dungeon as well which is easier to get loot but you have to fight other players in the zone to kill the bosses.

However, you could also trade contested loot and "Sell Loot Rights" which means you could trade gold for the item and then leader loot the item to the guy who gives you the gold.

Not only that, there are about 10 raids released as well, raids unlike dungeons though have 10-20% chance to drop the best loot and always drops a fabled item per chest.

Trash in raids also drops some of the best loot, but at a lower rate. However they were worth killing and some of the trash was harder to kill then the bosses because of placement and strats.

That game had the opposite problem of FFXIV, the content released faster then anyone could gear up the previous content and items that were good lasted even at high levels next expansion. For example in RoK I could never touch raid content because I never finished Dungeon Content. I barely got my Mythical before the expansion ended.

[Nadirah]

Trakanon's loot was relevant for almost 4 years... lol

That shield effect and other effects worked until they finally nerfed it.


Ill Will from Shard of Hate is still relevant now. However its not much of an upgrade, not even 1% health.



Standing around doing nothing is absolutely horrid and boring. However the loot needs to be worth that grind, right now its not.

Stuff I got off Trak was replaced pretty quickly. Didn't have much lock stuff drop :P

People stand around "doing nothing" in FFXIV for MONTHS because they get the top level equips and while some unsub until the next patch, some stay around "doing nothing" at Mor Dhona/Idyllshare. It's no different, and to be honest, it's even worse in FFXIV's case.

I don't stand around and do nothing.

if I don't have something to do at any given time, I *gasp* log off and go do something else.

Microtransactions have become a common, though despised, thing these days. Had this been a decade ago, you would certainly be tarred and feathered for it. To me, I place these things in the same category as those who complain about something they have full control over not continuing payment for. You do with your money what you want. I'm old enough to know that with how entertainment works these days, there will practically always be something out there for me to throw my money at, and if any given source chooses to go with something I enjoy, my money goes to them for as long as I enjoy it.

Had this been a decade ago, you wouldn't have very much choice in what games were available.

That's another thing folks forget about those older days. There was next to no competition. Everquest was the *only* game of it's type for a while, and XI never got big marketing. Asheron's Call(first one) didn't get much either, and it never really had a big population.

These were niche games. If they had 100k subscribers, they were lucky for the longest time.

Me? If i spend long hours in a game, I want to do it because I'm having fun. Farming rare drops? Not fun. Sitting on my arse waiting on respawns? Not fun. The reason I *don't* play those games is because they felt like a chore. If I don't have a reason to log in every day, great. Gives me an excuse to go outside.

eidt: below:

So the 999 roulettes and esoterics farming at Neverreap or Fractal doesn't feel like a chore for you? Well...

No, actually, it doesn't. Especially since I haven't done it that many times, and I don't "farm" it.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't need to have your esoterics capped in one day. I'm generally done by Saturday.

[Fevelle]

The reason I *don't* play those games is because they felt like a chore.

So the 999 roulettes and esoterics farming at Neverreap or Fractal doesn't feel like a chore for you? Well...