More Horizontal Progression please

[Xatsh]

Because people are gullible. It's very, very easy to convince yourself that if you just keep playing, you're sure to get your drop tomorrow or the next day-- and see? That guy over there got his, so surely you'll be next. And you can keep telling yourself that for months on end because the drop rate is just high enough that you can see other people getting what they want.

You get so focused on that that you don't even realize that you're no longer having any fun, because you keep telling yourself that it will be fun again once you finally get your drop. That's why people stick around in those games.

I will take farming sky or seas over alexander savage any day of the week.

It is not being gullable it is actually enjoying content that is not designed to be throw away or bash your head against the wall for 500hrs to clear it.

I do not understand how anyone can enjoy raiding (if you can even call it that) in XIV. Oh BOY I can't wait to get on to spend 4hrs tonight getting 1/2 more of a phase into the 9 phase boss.... WoW such fun........................

Oh and did I mention after the 300-500 hrs spent... your gear it worthless in probably 2-4 months after you get it. So enjoy wasting all your time on "Vanity gear" in the end. But do not worry in the next even patch you can bash your head against the wall all over for new gear... that is the same Garbage with a few more stats on it.

SUCH FUN!

Who are the gullible ones... The people who are trying to get gear that will permanently better your character. OR People who are getting gear that is vendored in 3 months while spending = amounts of time getting said gear.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I will take farming sky or seas over alexander savage any day of the week.

It is not being gullable it is actually enjoying content that is not designed to be throw away or bash your head against the wall for 500hrs to clear it.

I do not understand how anyone can enjoy raiding (if you can even call it that) in XIV. Oh BOY I can't wait to get on to spend 4hrs tonight getting 1/2 more of a phase into the 9 phase boss.... WoW such fun........................

Oh and did I mention after the 300-500 hrs spent... your gear it worthless in probably 2-4 months after you get it. So enjoy wasting all your time on "Vanity gear" in the end. But do not worry in the next even patch you can bash your head against the wall all over for new gear... that is the same Garbage with a few more stats on it.

SUCH FUN!

Who are the gullible ones... The people who are trying to get gear that will permanently better your character. OR People who are getting gear that is vendored in 3 months while spending = amounts of time getting said gear.

Not to mention fighting one boss the same way that never changes over/over can be mentally exhausting. Its like a Job, except you pay them instead of getting payed. Lol.

[LunaHoshino]

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I'd much rather spend a month learning a fight and progressing than killing the same mob over and over again and getting absolutely nothing to show for it. At least one of those two things is fun; the other is just mindless grinding. I would put on a TV show and then go spend a couple of hours camping a zone in RO and killing mobs when they spawned to farm for drops. There was no interaction, no skill, nothing other than mindless button-mashing.

I'm perfectly happy replacing gear every 2-4 months because it at least is tangible progress. It's not fun to go 2-4 months without getting a single mob drop, which happened to me and many other people I know who played RO. I'm not exaggerating when I say that drop rates on the most desirable items were in the .02% range. That's how they kept people coming back, as there was really no other reason to keep playing the game once you'd gotten the best gear.

In contrast, in FFXIV, gearing up is a result of running content rather than the ultimate goal. I never have to deliberately try to cap tomestones; it always just happens as a result of doing things with my friends. That is how gear progression should be-- part of the game, not the entire purpose of it.

[Kiara]

I will take farming sky or seas over alexander savage any day of the week.

It is not being gullable it is actually enjoying content that is not designed to be throw away or bash your head against the wall for 500hrs to clear it.

I do not understand how anyone can enjoy raiding (if you can even call it that) in XIV. Oh BOY I can't wait to get on to spend 4hrs tonight getting 1/2 more of a phase into the 9 phase boss.... WoW such fun........................

Oh and did I mention after the 300-500 hrs spent... your gear is worthless in probably 2-4 months after you get it. So enjoy wasting all your time on "Vanity gear" in the end. But do not worry in the next even patch you can bash your head against the wall all over for new gear... that is the same Garbage with a few more stats on it.

SUCH FUN!

Who are the gullible ones... The people who are trying to get gear that will permanently better your character. OR People who are getting gear that is vendored in 3 months while spending = amounts of time getting said gear.

+100. Well said Xatsh.

I, too, would much rather farm Sky or Sea than do Alexander Savage any day of the week. Easily.

I'd take the Multi-Objective, Multiple Side Paths / Side Bosses and layout of Dynamis-Xarcabard than any raid in FF XIV.

It's far more meaningful and encouraging if you know you're raiding week-in and week-out (like we are now anyways, like we did for months and months in Coil), if those drops will be useful for more than 2 - 4 months after you acquire them.

It's absolutely GARBAGE that players who dropped Millions of Gil and countless hours for the Relic in XIV has a weapon whose usefulness was about ~2 months every few patches, before being outdated.

It feels like crap that you finally get the BiS Coil Gear to drop, only to have it invalidated the next major patch (w/ Item Level increase).

"Congrats" on wasting months and months, to have gear that was best for... 2 - 4 months.

You're just on a hamster wheel, playing a Skinner box that Yoshi P is lazily copying from World of WarCraft:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWtvrPTbQ_c


I really hope we change the core end game in the near future for the betterment of Final Fantasy XIV.

[Nadirah]

I really hope we change the core end game in the near future for the betterment of Final Fantasy XIV.

End game is fine.

You want to drastically change how the game works, how about finding a game that plays the way you want to and go play that instead?

You know what happened the last time they drastically changed how a game worked?

NGE.

No thanks.