More Horizontal Progression please

[FizzleofHyperion]

Tyla_Esmeraude: Then that means its more FFXI gamers in the JP forums that appreciate horizontal progression. IMO there is no need for more western world MMORPGs. They should have sticked with the hard formula. Most of us went to FFXIV because we wanted a challenge not a new WoW :P

[Nadirah]

Tyla_Esmeraude: Then that means its more FFXI gamers in the JP forums that appreciate horizontal progression. IMO there is no need for more western world MMORPGs. They should have sticked with the hard formula. Most of us went to FFXIV because we wanted a challenge not a new WoW :P

Funny, because 1.0 was just that and it failed. Hard.

This game was designed for the western market.

[Fendred]

On the subject of challenge, and this relates to what Nadira mentioned with the end game in WoW's Cataclysm expansion, is that once the difficulty bar is lowered, its difficult to bring it back up again. Even within patches themselves, increasing item level makes it progressively easier to kill everything, and when an expansion shows up to reset all that, people don't like it. It's as much a good reason to stick to a set of standards throughout the game's life for content difficulty as it is avoiding too much stat creep.

[midnitdragoon]

Almost 40 pages and no Dev response?

[Hyrist]

What wide variety of content? There is a lot of content, but unless you are just picking up the game right now, you have already done it and have no need to do it again - except to help someone. This is the problem with vertical progression that happens in short cycles.

Rather than make a numerated list that could sound belitteling. I would rather simply cite that the true breath of content is not entirely progression nor even battle related. Crafting and casual pursuits of various kinds that, when you do list them all, is quite extensive.

The content that you say is also outdated is part of that casual pursuits.

It narrows the scope of content significantly to think of the game as only the vertical progression climb. That is why I asked the question on whether or it would be acceptable to have a long term goal that required investment, but was not a part of the progression mechanic. Content like this could stand the test of time and level increases and provide more entertainment for players.

However, I've observed that a lot of players here on the boards in particular seem only interested in the progression mechanic itself. Which, I honestly feel does the breath of the game a grave injustice.

The problem is ,because SE is spreading out expanding all of this content round-robin style, if a player is only interested in one particular thing or a small subset of goals, say - only interested in current battle content, not any of the unique glamour drops in any of the dungeons, for instance - the game feels sparse, even though there is a great deal of content in total, distributed thinly among other content categories.

It is a concern of mine that the more they broaden the content field, the thinner all fields become. There's a finite amount of man-hours a static team can dedicate to development, and I don't think the Corporate SE overlords will be inclined to put much more crew on.

That said, those longer cycles before increasing the ilvl cap? I agree. Not sure how they would implement progressive content like Alexander in situations like that, but they could half the rate we have maximum ilvl increases and provide broader content in that manner and I think it would go over better for all involved.

Almost 40 pages and no Dev response?

Horizontal vs Vertical endgame is a matter that's long since been addressed. It was literally addressed back in Beta, and again at release. I don't expect substantial changes on this matter.

[Nadirah]

@Hyrist

A lot of folks are only interested in the progression aspect for a lot of reasons.

Me? I play this game to kill monsters. Kill monsters, get more powerful, to kill stronger monsters. That's.. pretty much it.

I don't craft.

I detest PvP.

I detest repeatable content(ie: wow's daily quests) and faction grinds.

I quite literally could subsist on a game that is nothing but level cap dungeon grinds.

I'm not everyone though.

I do agree that they seem to be spreading themselves too thin with the team they have. It's not very large and they're trying to do a *lot*. I've said it before, they need to pick a demographic and stick with it.

[Tenku]

Funny, because 1.0 was just that and it failed. Hard.

This game was designed for the western market.

You didn't play 1.0. 1.0 failed because everything was delayed and slow. 1.0 felt like you were playing a dumb down version of FFXI. FFXI was honestly much smoother than 1.0.

[Fendred]

You didn't play 1.0. 1.0 failed because everything was delayed and slow. 1.0 felt like you were playing a dumb down version of FFXI. FFXI was honestly much smoother than 1.0.

I'd go even farther to say it was at best a late alpha product. It was so bad that anyone saying it was equivalent to FFXI are unknowingly comparing apples and oranges. There were videos of the massive amount of copy-pasted terrain. The combat was pretty bad at release as well. I have no idea how it was after the patches, since I didn't stick around for very long. None of my original 1.0 characters made it to level 10.

[Nadirah]

You didn't play 1.0. 1.0 failed because everything was delayed and slow. 1.0 felt like you were playing a dumb down version of FFXI. FFXI was honestly much smoother than 1.0.

I didn't play 1.0 because my computer wouldn't run it.

Not by choice. I tend to give any game that isn't immediately identifiable as "grindfest" a shot, and it looks like I missed the bullet with that one looking back.

I don't play the games that are collectively known as "Asian grinders" or "Korean grinders". Missed EQ1. Watched bf play that, and then later Lineage and Lineage 2. Was glad I missed a bullet with those too.

[midnitdragoon]

I wish they could just reopen the final fantasy xiv 1.0 servers. Just reopen one at least.