More Horizontal Progression please

[Nadirah]

Nadirah: Some GM wrote thank you for your feedback we will close the thread now. I really hope something happens soon. As a FFXI gamer myself I wouldnt mind a challenge and a grind that can be rewarding and not like you said doing stuff over and over again for gears to be useless 2 months later.

if you think a copy/paste answer that's usually tacked onto the end of any thread the mods close actually means much... yeah.

it was closed because it was a duplicate.

[redrumm]

I would very much like this. I only reached level cap after 3.0 launch and feel like I missed out on a lot of 2.0 dungeons because no one does them anymore. I don't know how much work it would entail but maybe just buffing the mobs' health and damage to accommodate level 60 ilevels would be good as well as letting people earn esoteric and law tomestones from doing them.

[Fevelle]

YES YES YES
Super hyped for it!

[Nadirah]

@Ibi, I'm still convinced it's another account of Skizzle.

[Ibi]

@Ibi, I'm still convinced it's another account of Skizzle.

Oh, absolutely. I'm not sure why he's trying to pretend it's not.

[Airget]

Why not just use 2.0 bosses, upgrade them to 60 with a few new mechanics and have horizontal gear progression?

It takes resources to create and balance new boss mechanics, their thought process is why reuse old bosses/old areas again and again when they can just make new ones. What's missing from the current 2.0 line is a reason to do them at restricted IL. Horizontal progression wouldn't fix this, what would fix this however is offering challenges that change weekly and are based doing older content under the IL restrictions with the DF.

One thing they'd have to work on however is allowing DF to be used in a way where you can cross server people doing the same challenge.

You know instead of horizontal progression, call them Challenge points and you could exchange those challenge points for vanity, minions, mounts or maybe even some semi relevant gear for the current IL.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

In SWG though. You needed other players for everything. Even crafting.
Armorsmiths needed "Tailors" to make certain parts for armor for them. Tailors needed Armorsmiths and Bioengineers to make clothing and special clothing with stats. (example!)

Combat players needed other combat players and social classes to buff them.

Social Classes needed all players to come watch them to make money.

As a fellow, former SWG Player (Ahazi!) I would like to point out that telling someone how SWG was is pointless.

As great a game it was, the game's numbers overall were abysmal and it would, in no way, survive the MMO market of today. Hell it barely survived the MMO Market of it's day.

Added to that, the two games are, by design different. SWG was a sandbox, through and through and XIV is not. You can turn a sandbox into a vertical game with ease, but the same cannot be said about a vertical one.

Numbers don't mean anything. SWG never advertised and SWG was released and was popular when MMOs were not. There were very few people in the world playing MMOs when it came out and was at its peak. Its subscription rate for its time is actually amazing.

WoW came out at the same time the developers were told to change the game, and that is when SWG lost over HALF ITS PLAYERBASE.

Nobody realized this yet, but SWG completely overhauled and revamped the entire game to make it less sandbox and more like World of Warcraft, which *gasp* made all said players move to world of warcraft. That is when they lost so many people.

You played SWG. You should know that WoW came out just before SOE changed the game. Which made them all MOVE to WoW.

They made EVERY single item in the game WORTHLESS, they made crafters worthless by removing decay. They did SO much to hurt the game. All Endgame gear was made worse then anything new crafted. They hit the reset button.. OF COURSE PEOPLE QUIT!

[Vickii]

From what I've seen so far of primals etc, what they could do is have them summoned again story wise (4th time for some i know) but this time the same as extreme but balanced for level 60.

Problem is, when do you stop? Whenever the level cap is raised, they'd need to do it again.