More Horizontal Progression please

[Iromi]

Funny, because 1.0 was just that and it failed. Hard.

This game was designed for the western market.

Hmm.... 1.0 had nothing but leves.

1.x - 1.23 which Yoshida turned the game into, which had horizontal progression, did really well especially at the end. I remember all my friends came to play 1.23 and loved it..posting all over FB/tumblr/twitter constantly..then 2.0 came out and they all quit after a couple weeks lol.

[Nadirah]

Hmm.... 1.0 had nothing but leves.

1.x - 1.23 which Yoshida turned the game into, which had horizontal progression, did really well especially at the end. I remember all my friends came to play 1.23 and loved it..posting all over FB/tumblr/twitter constantly..then 2.0 came out and they all quit after a couple weeks lol.

If it was so great, then why did it get scrapped?

[Iromi]

If it was so great, then why did it get scrapped?

It didn't. The entire time we were told that 2.0 would be a new and improved upon 1.23.

1.0 and Tanaka's thing got scrapped...Yoshida took over in Jan 2011 fully, and started a different direction with the game. We had this discussion before...it was either in this thread or another. ^.^ 1.x did so well they were able to start charging subs again...hence how legacy was born.

So please stop trying to argue saying 1.x failed, 1.0 failed yes, which is why Tanaka was removed..once Yoshida took over, it instantly started improving and bringing new players everyday. Big difference lol.

If 1.x failed..none of you would be here now playing 2.0...haha. Talking about 3 different games.

So once more, we have:
1.0 - Tanaka's team
1.x - Yoshida (which had horizontal progression and subs)
and 2.0 - Yoshida

Only one failed.

It didn't do well fast enough. Honestly. Honor, dignity and company names were at stake. That is probably one reason they fired everyone. They didn't keep anyone because that is their culture.

He is confusing 1.0 with 1.x lol to try to say that horizontal progression fails. I am trying to explain to him that 1.x Yoshida made had horizontal progression with a subscription which did really well. 1.0 had no content except for leves >.> See what I am saying? Maybe one person on here can understand lol

[Fendred]

On the subject of challenge, and this relates to what Nadira mentioned with the end game in WoW's Cataclysm expansion, is that once the difficulty bar is lowered, its difficult to bring it back up again. Even within patches themselves, increasing item level makes it progressively easier to kill everything, and when an expansion shows up to reset all that, people don't like it. It's as much a good reason to stick to a set of standards throughout the game's life for content difficulty as it is avoiding too much stat creep.

[midnitdragoon]

Almost 40 pages and no Dev response?

[Nadirah]

@Hyrist

A lot of folks are only interested in the progression aspect for a lot of reasons.

Me? I play this game to kill monsters. Kill monsters, get more powerful, to kill stronger monsters. That's.. pretty much it.

I don't craft.

I detest PvP.

I detest repeatable content(ie: wow's daily quests) and faction grinds.

I quite literally could subsist on a game that is nothing but level cap dungeon grinds.

I'm not everyone though.

I do agree that they seem to be spreading themselves too thin with the team they have. It's not very large and they're trying to do a *lot*. I've said it before, they need to pick a demographic and stick with it.

[Hyrist]

@Hyrist

A lot of folks are only interested in the progression aspect for a lot of reasons.

Me? I play this game to kill monsters. Kill monsters, get more powerful, to kill stronger monsters. That's.. pretty much it.

I don't craft.

I detest PvP.

I detest repeatable content(ie: wow's daily quests) and faction grinds.

I quite literally could subsist on a game that is nothing but level cap dungeon grinds.

I'm not everyone though.

I do agree that they seem to be spreading themselves too thin with the team they have. It's not very large and they're trying to do a *lot*. I've said it before, they need to pick a demographic and stick with it.

They did. They picked the demographic that likes doing a variety.

[Reinha]

They did. They picked the demographic that likes doing a variety.

This is spot on. For someone who likes to do a roulette for eso, craft while queuing, gather a little, do a few daily clan marks/quests/turn-ins, run a normal mode raid for alt gear, visit the gold saucer, plan a new glamour, do a map, queue for pvp, check challenge log, use up some leve allowances, level up alts and go hunting, it's pretty easy to lose theirself in the game for hours.

One of the reasons why WoW got so popular was because they offered all kinds of content. Nowadays they seem to be focusing on only raid content (which is still exceptionally good albeit released too infrequently) and mindless grinds, which are fun in moderation but not when that's all there is to do. I'm glad FFXIV is still choosing variety over one or two aspects. It means I don't have to spend hundreds of euros on different games to dabble in and instead I can just play this one.

[midnitdragoon]

I wish they could just reopen the final fantasy xiv 1.0 servers. Just reopen one at least.

[Nadirah]

They did. They picked the demographic that likes doing a variety.

Except they're spreading themselves too thin.

Waaaay too thin. And I, for one, am displeased at dungeon reduction with the patches, because that was something they did *right*. More dungeons, more often thanks.

@jonditaru, it'll be easier to answer you more later when I can get back online(nets out), but repeatable content specifically refers to daily quests. They're boring as balls.