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  1. #31
    Player Nomad-phx's Avatar
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    Damon Savinski
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    Famfrit
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    Weaver Lv 60
    A lot of the current aggro issues come from tanks themselves not their gear. Pld for example got goring blade and royal authority: 2 skills that don't have additional emnity on them but more alluring potency than the rage of halone spam we had before. I'll admit I've been one of those ppl that forgot about emnity moves while going " look at these big ass attacks!" Meanwhile while I've been using royal authority back to back the dps catch up and strip. It's all about balancing dps with tanking imo
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  2. #32
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantia View Post
    The +150 HP from my neckless was often enough time to activate holy ground and increase healing on me instead of dying.
    And as long as I have such a group once a week I will not use STR over VIT.
    And here once again: I am not saying STR or DPS is stupid. I just say: Not thinking about worst case is stupid.
    For sure, for sure. I wasn't trying to argue a "you should do this", but was genuinely curious how often that occurred. I do some tanking, but main a healer so I'm really only extensively aware of VIT vs STR in PUGs I heal for, and not so much about PUG healers as a tank.
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  3. #33
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    Yubari Melon
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    well.. not gonna argue with this kind of thread anymore...
    but lets be honest... if this "str based tank" kinda mandatory in here... why u all not make thread about "please make tank can roll NEED str gear"?
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  4. #34
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    Stouter Taru
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    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    For me its more like, outside of living dead/holmgang, how often has your HP dropped so low that the VIT from you neckless kept you alive? Neckless + 1 ring? Etc.

    If the VIT isn't used its a wasted stat. The extra damage is useful at least.
    Higher max HP gives more than just higher max HP. It also give more natural HP regen, healing from Thrill of Battle, shield from Stoneskin, and I'm sure some other skills that don't jump to mind.
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  5. #35
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    karateorangutang's Avatar
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    Celest Ru'milan
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Higher max HP gives more than just higher max HP. It also give more natural HP regen, healing from Thrill of Battle, shield from Stoneskin, and I'm sure some other skills that don't jump to mind.
    True.

    STR does more than just damage too. More healing from skill sources like bloodbath, second wind, equilibrium. So that also needs to be taken into account. Plus if mobs are dying faster then that's also less HP lost.

    Not refuting you, just providing a point.
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  6. #36
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    Dement Drachte
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    Coeurl
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    Warrior Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazka View Post
    well.. not gonna argue with this kind of thread anymore...
    but lets be honest... if this "str based tank" kinda mandatory in here... why u all not make thread about "please make tank can roll NEED str gear"?
    That's honestly my current biggest gripe about the game but on the other hand, having 5 classes rolling on STR gear is a bit much. Fortunately the new thing is token systems so I can still pick up STR gear fairly easily.
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  7. #37
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    Last Hero
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazka View Post
    well.. not gonna argue with this kind of thread anymore...
    but lets be honest... if this "str based tank" kinda mandatory in here... why u all not make thread about "please make tank can roll NEED str gear"?
    I agree. SE needs to address the reality of how we are gearing now and if they are ok with us as using STR (which it seems they are) then get rid of the useless stat altogether in favor of STR or make VIT actually a useful thing for tanks to stack. Intuitively tanks are going to wear the gear that is designed specifically for them and they won't know to wear STR instead unless someone tells them or they look on forums and see threads like this. It's a huge problem that our actual gear is so useless to us.
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  8. #38
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    If the dps can't pull threat off a vit tank, then it's less about you being good and more about them being bad.
    It's clearly more towards the tank being horribly bad. A full VIT tank can hold hate off a dps who has +20 ilevel. They'll do less dps than they could with matching ilevel, but they definitively can. I have never lost hate from anyone even with a VIT build (and even the 30 points in VIT at some point....), except in levelling when your weapon is the only thing that matters.
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  9. #39
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Higher max HP gives more than just higher max HP. It also give more natural HP regen, healing from Thrill of Battle, shield from Stoneskin, and I'm sure some other skills that don't jump to mind.
    Lantia had a point about actually making use of the extra vit via some pug healers and admittedly I wouldnt know enough about the pool of pug healers to question it.
    For these skills though it seems like more harm than good. If your healer knows how to use stoneskin well, he or she likely doesnt need you to have the extra VIT anyway and again stoneskin just offers more buffer.
    Thrill of battle is a good example cause you get buffer, but also the increased heal helps with ehp per second. Unfortunately though, taking VIT on war means you miss out on potential ehp/s w/ STR from Innerbeast, second wind, bloodbath, etc.
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  10. #40
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    STR is not necessary to keep hate. It's only desired because excess VIT is useless.

    Spirit of the OP is in the right place for the wrong reason.
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