CT is dead, please fix

[Dree-Elle]

100% would only solve it for the first 2 weeks.

You'd still be rolling against (max) 23 other people. So I think it would still be somewhat longer than that, just not the entire elapsed length of time between the raid's initial drop and now.

[CarnivalNights]

No.

I bought the expansion so I can play 3.0 content, not so SE can retroactively try to revive 2.0 content that we've all grown past.

[MistakeNot]

No.

I bought the expansion so I can play 3.0 content, not so SE can retroactively try to revive 2.0 content that we've all grown past.

All? Really? Does that include me who only started playing this game a couple of weeks ago?

[Avidria]

It's as irrelevant for new players as old. If anything, doing CT is more likely to drive them away :P

We're all talking about the same CT right? The one that 99% of people hated with a passion?

I'm a fairly new player (coming up on 3 months now) and was lucky enough to be on for a free company run of ct. We got around 20 people and duty fider'ed the rest. We wiped a few times in wod, but I had a lot of fun. I'd definitely run again for glamour and for the pets that I didn't know existed until now, heh.

No idea what it was like before hw, but that was my experience as a new player.

[JayCommon]

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Well, all I can say is I hadn't run Ifrit Extreme in *literally* over a year because I could care less about the rewards there and I never really had any of my friends ask for help with that particular primal. Also, maybe it had something to do with fighting 3 different versions of him just made the encounter stale for me quicker than the other two. I went in a few days ago to help a friend get her fire pony and we did an unsync 3man for the win. It was more fun than I can remember having in Ifrit Extreme ever before.

So we ran it more. Because it was fun. Not for some reward.

21 tank 3 healer Syrcus Tower during 2.5 was also the most fun I've had in a 24man raid. All I'm trying to say is, you may not expect participation/interest levels to increase if they add unsync to the CT trio, but I could give two shits about any of those 3 instances and if they unsynced it and allowed undersized parties I would instantly be intrigued to go back into all of them. You wouldn't feel empowered to kill something with 8 people that was designed and tuned for 24??

Well, I would...so before you begin citing annotated references about "western player mentality", which I'm sure you Mastered in, please don't forget that....ya know....sometimes.......just the actual fun you're having can be considered the reward for some of us.

Also, when CT3 came out, the weekly quest also came out making you run all 3 for your upgrade items. Uh...everyone was doing that for a solid month. Queues were not "very long". At least not on my data center, which, oh Hey!!!, you happen to be a part of >.>

[Magis]

If that is truly the case then "the modern MMO way" sucks in a major way and is a big fail.

As a new player I will be most displeased if it turns out that there are significant parts of the game that I will not be able to run/experience just because the old players no longer feel a need to run it.

Tell me about it. Wasn't always this way, but you can thank WoW with TBC and later expansions for cementing it as "the way everyone does it". Every expansion kills the older content. Heck FFXIV 2.0 pushed it further... every patch kills the former dungeon/raid content. Wasn't always this way. FFXI was able to keep content relevant for 7+ years by not increasing player level and using a horizontal progression system to focus on the endgame.

[Kalam]

Most of the players that I knew just starting the game were only interested in reaching the new content. They didn't even want to do the old story, much less bother with old raids. At best they may take WoWs approach of manually entering the old raid, and being able to solo or party clear it.

[Magis]

Most of the players that I knew just starting the game were only interested in reaching the new content. They didn't even want to do the old story, much less bother with old raids. At best they may take WoWs approach of manually entering the old raid, and being able to solo or party clear it.

The issue for MistakeNot is there isn't anyone to take her/him through the old content because it's deemed obsolete. So sucks to the new players who have to now look for players or sit and wait a three hour queue to do this content. Sure it's "optional" but people want to experience it.

Edit: err misread. Well that's a pity that people want to skip all the content to join everyone else in running two dungeons over and over and an easy raid, doing a hard raid whenever your static can do it. Stop and enjoy the flowers while you get to 60 cause otherwise your not going to have much to do.

[Dererk]

No.

I bought the expansion so I can play 3.0 content, not so SE can retroactively try to revive 2.0 content that we've all grown past.

Agreed we should in no way have to go back to the old stuff for the new stuff in the expansion.

All? Really? Does that include me who only started playing this game a couple of weeks ago?

I'm sorry I really am but I hate duty finder with a passion I'll still do it for daily tomes expert mostly but I only use the other stuff to level stuff. If you wana know why no one wants to go back to old old content its just a one way path its too repetative.

Would it kill SE to build a dungeon where it has multiple lay outs like a random maze that be awesome.

[Adire]

All? Really? Does that include me who only started playing this game a couple of weeks ago?

"All" just means the "me me me" veterans. Rest assured, they don't speak for all of us. Or SE for that matter. SE still cares and thinks about new people thankfully, and that's healthy for the game!

As much as I detested CT at times, I'm more than fine with having reasons to go back, especially if it means new players get to experience it without having to deal with huge amounts of inconvenience. Even a mild grind would do wonders to help repopulate CT.

We'll benefit, new players will benefit, and it'll all be optional for veterans(even relics will be optional). So hoping SE gives us veterans reasons to go back. If veterans hate doing 2.0 content that much, they can still opt out, many will just do it though if 2.0 and even current HW judging by people leveling and such is anything to go by.

Not everyone is going to enjoy every part of a grind, that's just how it is. After running the same 2 dungeons (soon to be 4 maybe?) in expert roulette every day, I actually feel like 2.0 content is more fresh when I do it too